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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
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Saint Peter especially was famous for telling people to ignore much of the old testament. |
St. Peter is part of the Bible? I asked where in the Bible was it said that it should be taken figuratively. Saying one law is outdated and replacing it with another doesn't mean the Bible is not to be taken literally. The literal meaning has just changed.
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There were tons of people who claimed to speak for this religion or that who didn't follow the basic teachings of the religion. Jesus, unlike Mohammed, always preached nonviolence. |
When you have a history of a certain action under the name of the religion, it becomes the basic teaching of religion. And, of course, there is a debate on the actual existance of Jesus. Nevertheless, Paul started Christianity.
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Mohammed spells everything out for a muslim. He explains in great detail everything a muslim must do and the punishment for every crime. That's forcing a barbaric 8th century legal code onto modern life. |
As Heresson said, Sharia and Hadith is far different than from the Koran. It is more like the Jewish Talmud, where rabbis wrote to each other and came up with a distillation on the law. The Koran is very sparce on detailed punishments for crimes. Those came about from the Imams creating Sharia in the same way the Rabbis created the Talmud. The Hadith are Islamic traditions, sort of like a common law. That is where the punishments and crimes actually come from.
Countries like Iran depend far more on Sharia and the Hadith than on the Koran for their criminal code. Perhaps there are few verses here and there in the Koran which be made into criminal law, but very few. They go to the interpretations and traditions to get their crimes and punishments.
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Last Conformist
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of Calakmul
Jul 2003
time: 06:29
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Originally posted by Heresson
the last Abbasid caliph died around 1535, there's much discussion about when exactly.
And there were other dinasties that claimed to be caliphs. also, Ottomans claimed that the last caliph transmitted his authority to them and as such, the caliphate existed up to 1923 or 4, I don't remember, when Atatuerk destroyed it.
Then, sharif of Mecca declared himself to be caliph in 1924, but in result Saudis attacked them and by 1925 all Higaz was conquered but the part that was annected by Transjordan. |
When I say the Caliphate didn't exist, I don't mean there wasn't anyone around claiming to be Caliph. I mean the Caliphate as a political power - the "Islamic Empire" Oerdin speaks of - didn't exist. The post-Mongol Abbasid Caliphs were Egyptian puppets, and while the Ottomans assumed the title, that doesn't make their empire any more of a restored Caliphate than Czarist Russia's claim to the Byzantine heritage made it a restored Roman Empire.
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Ramo
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Austin, Texas, USA
Oct 1999
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The author of the chronicle was Muslim (though of Jewish descent), it's hard to imagine He'd like to make Muslim seem badazz.
Also, no-one questioned the fact until recently, when it became uncomfortable.
And also, some hadiths seem to back the story |
1. Why not, if he's a fanatic? Notice how when a terrorist attack happens, sometimes a number of groups try to claim it as their own?
2. History gets written in the interests of those in power. You realize there's a reason why historians exist today, right?
3. The Hadiths have been written and rewritten, distorted, etc., etc. It's practically useless as a primary source for Mohammed's time.
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