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Atahualpa is offline Atahualpa
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Warning to EU on passport deadline
By Edward Alden in Washington
Published: April 1 2005 00:24 | Last updated: April 1 2005 00:24

The chairman of the congressional committee overseeing US immigration laws warned on Thursday that Congress was unlikely to extend an October deadline for the European Union to adopt biometric passports.

The warning, from Republican James Sensenbrenner, raises the possibility that many European travellers to the US could be forced to acquire visas after the October 26 deadline, adding substantially to the time and expense involved in visits to the US.

In a letter to the European Commission, Mr Sensenbrenner said Congress was “unlikely” to respond to the EU's request for a longer deadline.

“The increased awareness and concern, of both the American public and most members of Congress regarding continued weakness in US border security, will make an additional extension difficult to accomplish,” he wrote. “I strongly suggest that the European Commission plan without the expectation that there will be an extension of the deadline.”

The visa-waiver scheme, under which travellers from 27 mostly European countries can easily enter the US, has been criticised by some Republicans in Congress as a loophole that could be exploited by terrorists.

In an effort to appease those concerns, the US has insisted that all visa-waiver countries adopt passports with fingerprints or other biometric data incorporated in the documents to help safeguard against stolen passports being used by terrorists to enter the US.

Visa-waiver countries account for about 13m travellers to the US each year, and the State Department lacks the resources to begin issuing visas to those travellers.

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And of course in secret the EU is so happy about it that they can push this control **** here as well. Living on planet earth is becoming more and more like protecting me from myself. I already feel the rage and anger surfacing! ROAAAR!

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Our government will be ecstatic about it, as they'll be able to use it as an excuse to charge us more money to go visit other countries.

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Well in Google news there were 80 related articles. I doubt it's an April Fool's joke or the US senator wants to be teh pwnage guy.

"James Sensenbrenner" sure sounds like a funny name

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This is really good. They can blame it on the US, and make you do it. Yum, yum.

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Yes it's quite obvious that we will have NOT to do what the US demands. It's the only choice we have. But then they might plan that we don't do this and expect for lose security in europe which will make terrorist attacks in europe more likely than in the US and so we have to increase security and then, but then, and so, but so

Awww **** those terrorists, I don't care, shall they blow up a building or two every 5 years. That's better than living in a cage.

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Terrorism is way overblown...

(and yes ,I realise you carry the spanish flag )

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Boohoo, Poor little baby needs a visa to leave the continent. Shall I give you a tissue?

Ogie Oglethorpe is offline Ogie Oglethorpe
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Keeping the streets safe from across the pond scum.

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The problem with visa for traveller is that it a) costs extra money b) something mithg happen and you won't get it and c) it's just piece of paper. Someone gets a fake passport, or even real one, you don't think they'll get a visa?

Like I've said before, this only hinders normal people, but the true criminals and terrorists are not even blinking their eye for this new super measure. So, the overall worth of it is what. 0?

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Just another reason not to leave the Common Market

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HOWEVER at the same breath, this is the decision makers own decision, and that's that. It still won't help any, just costs more money to the US as well, and brings out more bureocracy than before, resulting to 0, but... that's how they want it done then I have no beef with it, not my decision and also doesn't hinder me much.

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How many Americans is it that don't have a passport, out of interest? 75, 80%?

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Just curious, do USians need visa for EU countries?

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before this, I only needed visa if I want go China or Russia. Not so sure about the Russia anymore.

Throwing that for some comparison of reality .

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No.

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Not that I remember... but crap, if this isn't an April Fools Joke, I'm sure we will have to in retaliation.

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Imran, no I don't think this is a joke.. it's been up in the air for a long time. We've known this to become reality for long time now. What next!? VEGETARIANS? Oh god, please ban VEGETARIANS! There's nothing worse than Euronite VEGETARIAN adn throw in STD. With those people, I sometimes consider DP to be the logical choice.

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If the EU had followed the deadline set, this wouldn't have happened Pekka.

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Right.. I'm not saying, I'm talking about comparisons to dictatorships and commies, but it was just to provoke some good replies. The fact of the matter is, like I said also, that everyoen decides for themselves and that's it, comply or don't travel there. For what I understand, the new passports etc, once those are in place, there might be a way of getting around the visa in the future as well. I know we have gotten side deals for a long time now avoiding the visa issue, well we are a 'safe country' with 'safe documents', but it will happen unless the new type of passports comes soon. I had to get a new passport to travel last summer in there, so that was fine. When the new type of passports comes available and I come there, then I get that one, and most likely will be able to avoid the visa issue.

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I hope this turns into the same attitude as Brazil vs US.

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Yet another reason not to go to the US. Not that it changes anything for me (I decided not to travel to the US as long as the "security" measures from last year ould continue), but maybe some more Europeans will avoid the US and pick another country for their vacation

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maybe some more Europeans will avoid the US and pick another country for their vacation


werks fer me

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Japher, you don't fool anyone, Eurolover. ****.. you're ouzing metric system and croisants... I can hear the drooling over German cars and Eurovision 'the winners!1' CD too.. you can't hide it. You read the EU constitution 10 times already, didn't you? And did a google picture search on EUROPE NUDE BEACHES.

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Not that I remember... but crap, if this isn't an April Fools Joke, I'm sure we will have to in retaliation.


It's not a joke, but it's not a done deal yet.

The US is serious about the new biometric passport, and forcing visas onto visa-waiver countries (most, but not all, of them in the EU) is the only leverage we have. The problem is that, as with many visa issues, the members of Congress who are hardliners in the War on Terror and the members who understand the role of foreign tourism in the US economy are rarely the same people.

My guess is that the deadline will be extended, but the requirement isn't going to be dropped. EU countries aren't going to need visas, but y'all will be getting new, more secure pasports in the near future.

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Reciprocation is the only feasible action here...

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No.

Students do, however. God bless Schengen and the E.U. Passport Bureaucracy, it's more efficient that the U.S. passport people.

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Reciprocation is the only feasible action here...


Yes, but that should take the form of requiring us to have biometric pasports...and we will.

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Our government is retarded. They allow millions of worthless illegals from Mexico to flood our country with crime and drugs yet the bar honest hard working Europeans from coming over. We should be trying to prevent immigrants from third world countries (esp. the middle east) from coming to America.

 
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