03-04-2005 14:54									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen That's the point. You can't expect everyone to comply with your country's wishes. You want to set up visas for all countries without biometric passports so be it, every country has the right to do what they wish. Just don't act like whiny *****es when those same countries retaliate by forcing you to get a visa. Then maybe your next Geneva trip will not be so smooth.

We can perfectly well decide how entrance to our country works. We do it right now. So does every other country. Go worry about your own deal. Imagine telling the Swiss how to run their border. They would just laugh at you. Get this straight. You ARE NOT a US citizen by being a world citizen. We are a seperate country.

	03-04-2005 14:59									#92
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Yet I don't see the Swiss telling other people how to make their passports.

Oh wait, except that one bit about putting a big "J" for German jews in WW2, but that's beyond the point...

	03-04-2005 15:02									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Yet I don't see the Swiss telling other people how to make their passports. Oh wait, except that one bit about putting a big "J" for German jews in WW2, but that's beyond the point...

dude, it's our country. We can run the border how we want. Same with immigration. Mind your own shop. I'm not getting all ants in the pants about your bullfighting.

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You don't like the rules to get in, don't come.

	03-04-2005 15:03									#95
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Trust me, I have no plans on going. and I won't be missing much.

	03-04-2005 15:04									#96
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wait. Please. We miss you!!!! OHHHW awww!!!

	03-04-2005 15:05									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Trust me, I have no plans on going. and I won't be missing much.

Well why the fukc do you care? What are you? A noserinnner?

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Don't worry, I'll make sure all your spring-break *****es enjoy themselves over here

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quote: Originally posted by TCO Well why the fukc do you care? What are you? A noserinnner?

Who said I care?

Messing with people like you for the last half hour is an enjoyable hobby in itself.

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	03-04-2005 15:10									#101
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where are you?

	03-04-2005 23:53									#102
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quote: Originally posted by TCO wait. Please. We miss you!!!! OHHHW awww!!!

	04-04-2005 00:00									#103
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quote: So that leaves the EU's poor relation contries -- Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, etc. -- who won't meet the deadline.

OK, so nobody's going to be inundating our German consulates for visas. There will be no problem for the vast majority of EU visitors to the US.

I have no problem with nagging the poor relation countries that are no longer poor relations, if the calculation is that it will help the situation (by giving gov'ts excuses to make the changes or whatever). If Germany can do it, so can Italy.

	04-04-2005 00:22									#104
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Erm, none of those 4 countries are particularly poor (in fact Ireland has a higher GDP than the UK nowadays) so you will be shooting yourselves in the foot by blocking their tourism...

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In fact, Germany is the 5th poorest among the EU15. Only Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal are poorer. Ireland on the other hand is the second richest (only beaten by Luxembourg). Obviously not a matter of wealth. But then, I oppose this biometric crap.

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quote: Originally posted by kronic In fact, Germany is the 5th poorest among the EU15. Only Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal are poorer. Ireland on the other hand is the second richest (only beaten by Luxembourg). Obviously not a matter of wealth. But then, I oppose this biometric crap.

If you look at he list, I think wealth is only part of the equation; the countries who will meet the deadline are countries whose governments have a history of efficiency, for want of a better word -- of getting things done, and done well.

	04-04-2005 04:30									#107
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its really just fortress America, a new kind of isolationism

	04-04-2005 07:46									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse its really just fortress America, a new kind of isolationism

The Swiss do what they want.

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What more do I have to say!

Well, they are in charge of protecting the pope... where were they!

	04-04-2005 08:05									#110
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quote: Originally posted by TCO The Swiss do what they want.

But the Swiss don't take in $56 billion/year in foreign tourist dollars.

But actually, I agree with you: we can do what we want. The problem is we say we're going to do this (demand visas from non-compliant EU countries), but we won't. That's just lame.

	04-04-2005 08:34									#111
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Yeah...well I agree with you that we should do what we say.

	04-04-2005 09:42									#113
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quote: Originally posted by TCO The Swiss do what they want.

You want to be like the Swiss?

	04-04-2005 09:53									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You want to be like the Swiss?

I want to do what we want in our own country for our own border security. Does that chap your ass?

	04-04-2005 11:59									#115
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only if they give me an exam

	04-04-2005 13:10									#116
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Well TCO, I don't want to question America's rights as what to do with their borders (except when it would fail with human rights), BUT the whole world has shifted to be way more global than before and America is profiting a LOT from that, so you can't neglect one thing and use the other.
The days where you can say: **** the rest we can do what we want are numbered; the more everyone gets involved in everyone elses business just like America gets involved in pretty lot businesses pretty everywhere on the globe, wouldn't you agree?

In fact it would be nice to see more kind of cooperation, but the US stance is always perceived as: do as we say!

quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch No. Students do, however. God bless Schengen and the E.U. Passport Bureaucracy, it's more efficient that the U.S. passport people.

So true, I've been trying to help a Russian (Uzbek) enter the EU. He told me it would be easier if I sign a paper saying that I will take responsibility for him and pay for all the costs that he could possibly have here (provide lodging, food, pay for medical treatment should he become ill, accidents,...). Yeah sure
Well now he needs a hotel room and whatnotelse.


In any case everyone please watch your language.

	04-04-2005 15:47									#117
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what happened to the spirit of Ellis Island

	04-04-2005 18:41									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse what happened to the spirit of Ellis Island

You can still book the cruises. Personally, Spirit City New York is far better than Spirt of New Jersey for obvious reasons.

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	04-04-2005 18:49									#119
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Rufus

You have been a great source of info on this thread. It seems to me that the Administration would definetly have benefited from a more cooperationalist attitude towards the deal and not, here is what we require, now do it type of attitude. That doesn't particularly work as good as the alternative (cooperation).

	04-04-2005 18:58									#120
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Lazy Euros.