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New Gomery testimony spurs talk of election
CTV.ca News Staff

The possible collapse of the Liberal minority government is once again a hot topic on Parliament Hill, fuelled by reports of explosive new testimony at the sponsorship inquiry.

Although exact details of the testimony cannot be revealed due to a publication ban, there are reports its disclosure would prove so devastating that Paul Martin's Liberal minority could fall if it became public.

Watching developments in Ottawa Friday night, CTV's Mike Duffy says the capital is buzzing with speculation the opposition will confront the Liberals with some of that testimony next week.

"It's probably going to be raised here on Monday by the opposition," Duffy told CTV News.

"Because MPs have privilege on the floor of the House of Commons it is conceivable that the Bloc Quebecois could get up and run some information from behind the closed doors" at the Gomery inquiry, he said.

According to a report from The Canadian Press, the threat is looming so large all parties are quickly reviewing their election plans,

Liberal MPs in so-called "safe seats" have been asked to contact neighbouring ridings to help organize local campaigns, CP reports. One Liberal MP, who asked to remain anonymous, went so far as to tell the news agency: "Our election readiness went up 20 per cent today."

Martin's government is already on edge over a critical budget vote that all parties had at one time signalled willingness to support.

Their backing was called into question, however, after the Liberals added measures to broaden the Canadian Environmental Protection Act and implement the recent offshore oil agreement.

That thrust the Conservative Party, with their opposition to Kyoto, into a political predicament as the combination of their vote with those of the NDP and Bloc Quebecois would be enough to bring the government down.

Until now, no party wanted to be responsible for calling Canadians back to the polls so soon after the last election.

But mounting criticism spurred by a stream of revelations at the sponsorship inquiry headed by Justice John Gomery appears to be changing that.

"All I can say is that given what was said yesterday the political landscape may be changing quite rapidly," Conservative Justice Critic Vic Toews told CP.

Montreal advertising executive Jean Brault appeared before the inquiry in Montreal Thursday.

His testimony is covered by a publication ban intended to protect his right to a fair trial on criminal-fraud charges related to the now-defunct sponsorship program.

That means his inquiry testimony could be made public once his trial is over.

Lawyers for the former Groupaction chief petitioned a Montreal court Friday, to have his May trial date pushed back to September.
The court is expected to issue its decision next Wednesday.

While the NDP accused the Liberals of attempting to orchestrate both their own demise and a scapegoat in the Opposition, senior Liberals dismissed such accusations wholesale.

According to Martin spokesperson Scott Reid, no matter how explosive the inquiry testimony, the present government shouldn't pay a price.

"You will not see anybody identified with the Paul Martin team involved in any of the accusations put forward," Reid told CP. "Because that's not how the Paul Martin team works."

He also dismissed suggestions his party is angling for a return to the polls.

"The Canadian people do not want an election," he said.

"The government does not want an election. The only leader who has spoken about the possibility of an election is Stephen Harper."

Last week, Harper suggested he was set for a showdown with the government over the federal budget bill.

Debate on the bill begins next week.

With reports from CTV News and The Canadian Press


Is this an April fool's joke?

Anyone from around Montreal or with some connections know what was so 'explosive'? I've been looking since hearing about it on a local Chorus station, but it isn't even showing up as a story anywhere else (that I've looked so far).

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What are the chances of another election so soon?

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The biggest hurdle lies in passing the budget. If it fails then we go to the polls again.

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The noises being made are that what the ad exec said to Gomery was more than enough to make all three opposition parties want to go to the polls with Liberal skins to placate the voters.

The trouble would be getting what he said released to the public. Mike Duffy from CTV says opposition MPs will use the floor of the Commons to spill the beans (they have parliamentary immunity). Curiously, you might have the Liberals trying to force a confidence issue before any of the opposition can get their forks into Gomery testimony.

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What are the chances of another election so soon?


Very good if the Liberals want to force issues to kill the Gomery enquiry and think they have a chance at a majority.

To that end they have begun pulling some stunts, like trying to sneak Kyoto related regulation of carbon emmissions into a budget related bill. They are begging Harper and Duceppe to pull the trigger and get them out of the mess that Gomery is creating for them.

I think they are deluded and Martin would be better served to play the straight shooter by letting things play themselves out. It won't save him. I think his goose has been cooked by his predecesor, but at least he would not go into the books as a whore afflicted with a particularly virulent strain of the Liberal disease.

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Duceppe's and Layton's position is that the environmental protection is too half-assed and that it would provide an excuse for not doing real things. Harper's position is that it shouldn't exist at all.

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The lid lifts, a little.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...-ban050407.html

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Last Updated Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:31:05 EDT
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MONTREAL - The former head of a Quebec advertising company testified to the Gomery inquiry that he was repeatedly asked to give cash donations to the Liberal party, and put election workers on his payroll, in exchange for federal sponsorship contracts.

Former Groupaction executive Jean Brault testifies.

INDEPTH: Jean Brault's testimony
Jean Brault, the former head of Groupaction Marketing, testified that the scheme to funnel taxpayers' dollars to the Liberal party in the 1993, 1997 and 2000 federal election campaigns continued as recently as 2002.

"If it wasn't for our contributions to the party, we never would have had such a big piece of the sponsorship pie," he said.

Brault began testifying about his role in the sponsorship program last week, but Justice John Gomery banned publication of his testimony.

The ad executive had been scheduled to go on trial, along with co-accused Chuck Guité, on May 2 on fraud charges relating to sponsorship contracts.

Last week, Gomery ruled that allowing media to report on Brault's testimony at the inquiry could hurt the two men's chances of getting a fair hearing in their criminal trial.

Lawyers for Brault and Guité had asked that the trial be put off until September, but on Wednesday, a Quebec judge postponed it only until June 6.


In the wake of that decision, Gomery partially lifted the publication ban at 2 p.m. EDT Thursday, allowing many details of Brault's testimony to be broadcast.

Brault discovers 'magic recipe' for work

During his testimony at the inquiry, Brault described a system that churned out secret payments to Liberal campaign workers – payments that were covered up with fake invoices.

The paper trail suggests Brault made $1.1 million in contributions to the Liberal party that never appeared on the books. That was in addition to the $166,000 in legitimate donations Brault and his companies made to the Liberals over seven years.


Brault said he found out that the "magic recipe" to get sponsorship contracts was to "lend a sympathetic ear" to the party's demands.


Jacques Corriveau, head of Pluridesign. (file photo)
In 1996, he testified, he met with Jacques Corriveau, head of Pluridesign and a key member of Jean Chrétien's Liberal leadership campaigns.

Brault said that during a meeting on April 16, 1996, Corriveau asked him to "take under my wing for a period of a year, one person who was well liked" by the party – Serge Gosselin.

Brault testified that Gosselin, a communications expert, never had an office at Groupaction and did little or no work. Nevertheless, Brault agreed to pay him more than $80,000.

Party workers put on Groupaction payroll

Brault also told the inquiry that he put about a dozen party workers on his staff during the 1997 election campaign.

After that election, the Quebec wing of the Liberal party was broke and owed money for campaign signs and pamphlets produced for candidates across the province, among other things.


One of the party's creditors was Corriveau, whose company produced billboards and posters for Liberal candidates in Quebec.


Benoît Corbeil, a former Liberal Party official.
Brault claims Corriveau asked him in the spring of 1998 to funnel to the party 10 per cent of the commission fees Brault charged on some sponsorship contracts. Groupaction charged the federal government a 12-per-cent commission to manage sponsorship projects.

"My understanding is that this money was destined for the Liberal cause," said Brault.

Brault named two other high-ranking members of the federal Liberal party as key cogs in the sponsorship scheme: Alain Renaud, who worked at the party's offices in Montreal; and Benoît Corbeil, a former official at the party's offices.

Brault told the inquiry that Renaud was paid $1.1 million between 1996 and 2001.

Renaud left Groupaction in September 2000, but decided he wanted to come back six months later. Brault balked.

He told the inquiry that he then received a phone call from Tony Mignacca, a close aide to former Public Works Minister Alfonso Gagliano.

Brault said Mignacca hinted Groupaction's large contract with Via Rail might be in jeopardy if Renaud was not hired back.


Brault also spoke of a meeting he had when Joe Morselli, a close friend of Gagliano, took over fundraising duties for the party in Quebec.

Brault says he was asked to meet Morselli in an Italian restaurant and leave envelopes with thousands of dollars in cash for the party on a chair.

"I went up to go to the bathroom," he said. "When I got back, the money was gone."

The federal government is trying to recover $30 million from Brault in funds related to the $250-million sponsorship program.

In February 2004, Auditor General Sheila Fraser released a report suggesting that as much as $100 million from the program went to Quebec-based advertising companies for little or no work.

Prime Minister Paul Martin immediately called a public inquiry into the affair.


There are more people cued up to testify in Montreal.

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It will be really funny if an election is called and the Liberals increase their seats. I'd LMAO.

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It will be really funny if an election is called and the Liberals increase their seats. I'd LMAO.


Of course thats whats going to happen. Anti-climax is one of this country's strong-points

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Why are you quoting Canadian websites? All the interesting news is on American sites...

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I dunno.

This way they kill that gay marriage bill.

If the Conservatives can increase their seat count, then I say go for it.

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1. The Liberal Party is decadent and depraved.
2. Canadian voters are idiots

1+2= reelected Liberals.

Sad, but true.

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Suffering from ads?

You're like the Canadian version of Sava.

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Exhibit 1 - Our current federal government. We voted for them knowing they were corrupt.

The prosecution rests.

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All politicians are corrupt.

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That is what Canadians will tell themselves as they vote for this party yet again. Were you trying to prove my point?

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Seems like a fairly standard kick back arrangement.

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What's the real alternative to the Liberals?

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None. That's the problem.

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What are the chances of another election so soon?


If a vote of confidence fails in Parliament, Canadian tradition requires the government to fall. The budget is a vote of confidence, and so are many other major bills. No one holds an absolute majority in Parliament right now, so the opposition parties can bring down the government any time they want by simply unanimously voting against something.

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Exactly. I wouldn't pin it on "stupid voters".

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Seems like a fairly standard kick back arrangement.


We expect our government to be good and honest. That's the principle that Canada was founded on, and it's one of the main reasons our country is wonderful.

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However, your government is not good and honest now, nor has it always been in the past.

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What's the real alternative to the Liberals?


NDP doesn't have a chance to win a majority because the NDP doesn't have a chance to win a majority. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. And yet I vote for them.

Bloc won't turn candidates outside Quebec because they are secessionists.

The Greens are a dark horse. They got 4% of the vote in the last election, and have a comparatively huge election warchest as a result due to our new federal campaign-financing laws.

Conservatives are evil bastards who want to return us to deficit spending, sell Canadian sovereignity to the US for cheap, and probably do something stupid like renaming "marriage" to "civil union".

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We vote for crooks rather than the other guys because the other guys are "scary".

What a brave people.

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It would be fine with me if government got out of the marriage business entirely.

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We vote for crooks rather than the other guys because the other guys are "scary".

What a brave people.


Scary? They're not scary; they're evil.

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Tired of ads?

Don't fear the NDP.

And have you looked at the Green agenda lately? They are pretty right-wing by my standards, making them moderate in your books.

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Don't fear the NDP.


I don't fear the NDP. Unlike the Liberals, the NDP at least stands for something. I (and most Canadians) would never vote for them but at least they are clear. Too bad their own supporters couldn't gather up the courage to vote for them though.

quote:
And have you looked at the Green agenda lately? They are pretty right-wing by my standards, making them moderate in your books.


If the conservatives actually stray into social conservatism I may consider the Greens. I suspect we as a nation can't afford them though.

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We vote for crooks rather than the other guys because the other guys are "scary".

What a brave people.


So it's a mark of courage and honour to vote for a either a party that would take a massive leftward lurch or one that would unquestioningly take us to war in Iraq, cut social services and has a large and extemely vocal component that's quite socially conservative?

 
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