05-04-2005 15:51									#1
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/04...eath/index.html

Executions in 2004:

China: 3400 (although this is alleged to be only the tip of the iceberg, could be as many as 10,000 or more)
Iran: 159
Vietnam: 64
USA: 59

If you work hard I'm sure the US can catch Vietnam in 2005!

The next two top scorers are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

During 2004 six names were added to the list of US prisoners sentenced to death and later released on grounds of innocence, bringing to 118 the number of such cases since 1973.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engact500112005

	05-04-2005 15:53									#2
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you should rather look at the rate of executions, the number of executed related to the country's population.

China: 0%

USA: 100%

	05-04-2005 15:54									#3
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I'd bet the majority were in Texas. In California were lucky if we can get one or two serial killers or child rapists executed in one year.

BTW what about places in the middle east or former Soviet Union? I also understand that many parts of Asia also carry capital punishment. Basically, the EU outlawed and Latin America did exactly what the Vatican told it to do but everyone else still understands the deterence value of capital punishment.

	05-04-2005 15:59									#4
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23/59 were in Texas.

quote: USA – Texas Texas accounted for 23 of the 59 executions carried out in the USA in 2004. Eight people prosecuted in the Texas jurisdiction of Harris County were executed during the year, despite concern around the reliability of forensic evidence processed through the Houston Police Department (HPD) crime laboratory where serious problems had been uncovered in 2003. In October 2004 a judge on the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals said that there should be "a moratorium on all executions in cases where convictions were based on evidence from the HPD crime lab until the reliability of the evidence has been verified". His was the only dissenting voice when the Court denied death row inmate Dominque Green’s request for a stay of execution on the basis of concern around the accuracy of the HPD’s ballistics work in his case, and the discovery of 280 boxes of mislabelled evidence that could affect thousands of criminal cases. Dominque Green was executed on 26 October. (See also Amnesty International USA: Dead wrong: The case of Nanon Williams, child offender facing execution on flawed evidence, January 2004, AI Index: AMR 51/002/2004.)

The US isn't scared of executing the mentally ill but has hampered it's chances of increasing it's league position next season by banning the execution of children.

	05-04-2005 15:59									#5
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Shoudn't North Korea be on that list?

	05-04-2005 16:02									#6
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Yes, almost certainly. These are only the ones that Amnesty can definitely confirm.

quote: "The figures released today are sadly only the tip of the iceberg. The true picture is hard to uncover as many countries continue to execute people secretly -- contravening United Nations standards calling for disclosure of information on capital punishment," said Amnesty International.

Five countries abolished the death penalty for all crimes in 2004 - Bhutan, Greece, Samoa, Senegal and Turkey. - quitters!

	05-04-2005 16:03									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion you should rather look at the rate of executions, the number of executed related to the country's population. China: 0% USA: 100%

Somebody sucks at basic statistics.

	05-04-2005 16:04									#8
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quote: Originally posted by alva Shoudn't North Korea be on that list?

Yeah, but its almost impossible to get reliable information about that.

But then how do you count the NKorean refugees that China sends back to their deaths in NKorea on a regular basis? Do they get double-counted?

	05-04-2005 16:05									#9
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The US has such untapped potential for greatness. 59 means that only 1 in 300 murderers is executed.

That's pure laziness.

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China - 2.72 executions per million pop'n
US - 0.2 executions per million pop'n

(assuming populations of 1.25 billion for China and 300 million for the US)

	05-04-2005 16:13									#11
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Texas has a mighty 1 execution per million population, five times the national average.

Although Texas has a big population if every state pulled its finger out and executed 23 people a year that'd be 1100 people a year and 3.6 people per million. You could totally pwn china!

	05-04-2005 16:15									#12
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Once the US is executing all 18000 of its murderers every year they can start on other crimes usually unfairly ignored by the general public in the context of capital punishment.

Speeding, income tax evasion, littering, etc.

	05-04-2005 16:18									#13
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Now I know why the US hates communist and fundamentalist Muslim countries so much: they're providing too healthy a level of competition.

	05-04-2005 16:20									#14
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i dont think the US will get to the play off next season if they dont start killing more people...as it is now the players of the capital punishment team US dont stand a chance against the top league players like china and Iran...

	05-04-2005 17:58									#15
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I think my gives a **** is broken. If you want to troll about the death penalty, the moral arguement provides a much more fertile ground than this.

	05-04-2005 18:00									#16
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*Points and laughs at Dino

	05-04-2005 18:01									#17
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It's not sports betting without odds and bookies. And damn you for DanSing me.

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Haha.

I danSed you.

	05-04-2005 18:02									#19
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I think you've completely misconstrued the "point" of this thread, DD.

Wouldn't be the first time...

	05-04-2005 18:03									#20
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Might not even be the last.

	05-04-2005 18:48									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Basically, the EU outlawed and Latin America did exactly what the Vatican told it to do but everyone else still understands the deterence value of capital punishment.

According to Amnesty, 3/5 of all countries have abolished the death penalty for all crimes in law or in practice (including all countries of the "western world" with the execption of one ):

• 84 countries have abolished the death penalty for all crimes
  
• 12 countries have abolished the death penalty for all but exceptional crimes such as wartime crimes
  
• 24 countries can be considered abolitionist in practice: they retain the death penalty in law but have not carried out any executions for the past 10 years or more and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions
  
  making a total of 120 countries which have abolished the death penalty in law or practice.
  
  
• 76 other countries and territories retain and use the death penalty, but the number of countries which actually execute prisoners in any one year is much smaller.
  

source
Lists of abolitionist and retentionist countries

You can find a nice map here . But it's in German.

green = death penalty abolished
yellow = death penalty abolished for ordinary crimes
orange = death penalty abolished in practice
red = death penalty not abolished

	05-04-2005 18:54									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin ... the deterence value of capital punishment.

Not in the US. IF CP is to be a deterent, CP must be swift and certain. It is neither in your country.

	05-04-2005 18:56									#23
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Yeah. 1 in 300? Come on. The mortality rate in the US prison system is much more to be feared than is the death penalty...

	05-04-2005 18:59									#24
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it is 'funny' to see that the most powerfull and rich country in the world and the weakest and poorest countries do have something in common.

	05-04-2005 19:00									#25
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yellow shows states that abolished capital punishment for peace times. if the EU goes to war Latvia will have the death penalty option

	05-04-2005 19:02									#26
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arent they a member of the EU already?

	05-04-2005 19:11									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin everyone else still understands the deterence value of capital punishment.

You also have the highest murder rate in the Western world by a wide margin - that deterrent value must be really working for you

	05-04-2005 19:12									#28
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* DanS ponders at what point Amnesty International lost the script

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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion you should rather look at the rate of executions, the number of executed related to the country's population. China: 0% USA: 100%

You mean, everything we hear from the US and every poster claiming he is from US of A is a fake,
because the whole population of the United states was already executed?

	05-04-2005 19:18									#30
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If those 59 people didn't love America they should have just moved to China!