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Cyrion
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Caught somewhere in time
Jan 2002
time: 06:16
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Originally posted by CapTVK
A Wiki is different from a forum in that its focus is on organizing&editing content (in principle everyone can edit and add new pages). |
Excuse me if I misunderstand something, but this sounds awfully unsafe to me!
We just experienced here a tragic unwanted erasure, and this happened with only a restricted number of responsible and well meaning people able to do the "edition" of all threads!
Now, if everybody would be able to achieve the same nightmare, I would be really scared!
Everybody being able to edit his own post (and of course add new threads and posts!) is perfect, but I don't want anybody able to edit (or erase!) my posts (except for our revered moderators, of course ).
Can you picture the 2 following cases (I regretfully do...):
1) one of our estimed posters (lets call him Curtline, for instance... ), comes back from an harassing day at work; he connects to the forum, and clumsily (quite untypical for him...) deletes a thread...
2) another, much less "mature" poster (I won't name him so as not to launch a post war...) gets angry after some comments about his work being nothing more than plagia, and decides to erase all the posts and threads from his accuser, and then just walks away never to come back again... (and then we would have lost all Exile's contribution on this forum)
I wouldn't like those kind of situations to appear, would you?? 
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St Leo
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Member of the Apolyton Social Democratic Party
Jul 2005
time: 00:16
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Originally posted by Cyrion
Excuse me if I misunderstand something, but this sounds awfully unsafe to me!
We just experienced here a tragic unwanted erasure, and this happened with only a restricted number of responsible and well meaning people able to do the "edition" of all threads!
Now, if everybody would be able to achieve the same nightmare, I would be really scared! |
Wikis have good versioning of content. It's easy to revert changes back arbitrarily far. They are hard to vandalize and easy to maintain.
Just look at the fantastically popular WikiPedia, the paragon of the model. It gets about a million visitors a day, and avoids major vandalism despite most of those visitors being able to edit the articles.
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Everybody being able to edit his own post (and of course add new threads and posts!) is perfect, but I don't want anybody able to edit (or erase!) my posts (except for our revered moderators, of course). |
It would be a replacement for the website rather than for the forum. Holding a discussion in a Wiki is possible, but not very effective.
A DeviantArt-like setup would probably be more suited to what we do, but I am not aware of any good free implementations, and I'd rather not write my own without being paid substantial buckaroos.
Examples of wikis:
http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/In...tion_to_Freeciv
http://victoria.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
http://hoi2.nsen.ch/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
I am going to look into a suitable wiki variant to adopt. We need one with easy file upload that runs on PHP or PHP/MySQL.
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CapTVK
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Voorburg, the Netherlands, Europe
Jan 1970
time: 05:16
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Originally posted by Cyrion
Excuse me if I misunderstand something, but this sounds awfully unsafe to me!
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Hehe, that's the initial reaction when you try to explain the concept of a Wiki. But a Wiki really is something different from a forum. Wiki's are meant to be worked on as a group. Everyone can make a page, update or make corrections. You can have limited access to a Wiki but for most pages that wouldn't be necessary.
Don't worry, the older version are always saved. A Wiki is based on a database that keeps track of all the changes. In the case of webvandalism you can always go back to an older version of the page. The information present on a wiki page is quite safe because the old versions are always backed up. The advantage of open access to a wiki is that you keep your documentation up to date. Want to add Smiley's "hightower"-design tip to the SL? Easy, go to Civ graphics page, edit the page, write a few new paragraphs, include a screenshot and presto! Later on someone can improve that paragraph and give a few additional examples.
Watching a wiki page "evolve" is quite interesting. Here's a screencast commentary of a Wikipage. It also shows how quickly vandalism can be repaired.
http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/gems/umlaut.html
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Mercator
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Sorekara no Nanimo
Jan 1970
time: 06:16
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Originally posted by Panda
Edit: Ha ha! 
So there was one of Merc in the picture thread  |
I've been found out! (that's picture's a few years old though)
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Originally posted by CapTVK
My suggestion would be two-fold: the SL would, in time become a Wiki and the Scenario forum would still have its function that it has know : Top threads for showing off graphics (albeit a bit more organized to prevent clutter and spamming) and the usual debates about scenarios, questions, events etc...If a subject is really important you could easiliy copy&paste the content from that thread to a new or existing wiki page at SL. It would save St.Leo a lot of time in keeping SL up to date himself.
So, news&discussions&debate = forum and documentation = Wiki |
 But I think I'd want to go a bit further with the Wiki. The graphics showcases should really only serve to get some feedback on the graphics. Say, similar to scenario development threads. When the graphics are all done they should be posted on the wiki.
Thanks for those links and for looking into this.
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Originally posted by curtsibling
Once the stuff is added to the wiki, only the poster is able
to make changes, or mods - just like at regular SL forums.
Am I right here? |
In principle, no... Anyone can make changes. Take a look at wikipedia.org, for instance. At the top of every article is an "edit this page" link. Anyone can simply go in and change it.
But, I would assume that you can limit areas of the wiki so only the original author or a mod can change it.
For one, the SLeague should really only be editable by SLeague members. Secondly, I'd think only stuff like tips, faq's, links and guides would be editable by any registered member. Files and reviews should only be editable by the original author or a mod.
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If certain words could be made as keywords, like clicking 'fairline' could lead you to all his graphic threads, that would be killer! |
Wikis have a search function. 
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AGRICOLA
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Canadian bush & Florida
Feb 2003
time: 00:16
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This is a bit of an academic exercise on my part to try to figure out some of the apparent discrepancies in the number of lost posts (i.e. I was bored last night). There is a possibility that what follows is pure BS, thought up by a SF deprived mind, so please do not take a hypothesis as gospel truth.
1. This exercise was started by the following e-mail from Apolyton in response to my e-mail to the “ticket” office.
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……………In essence, as backups are put in place your post count will rise but it will not return to its exact former level. At the same, follow-up with us on this -- you can just send a quick reply to this particular trouble ticket.
Thank you for your continued patience.
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Daniel Quick |
Aside from wondering about the meaning? of the second sentence, I concluded that we will get get credit only for posts that can be recovered.
2. Although no one at Poly has said this, it seems logical that the post counting algorithm must be able to keep track of posts that exist at the present and posts which existed a few years ago but have now been removed. For simplicity, let’s call these “live” and “dead” posts, respectively. Members’ post counts consist of the sum of their live and their dead posts (if any).
3. The dead posts were in threads that have been removed from Poly in order to keep the site to a manageable size. The removal process appears to be selective, so that there are a few live threads that date back to 2000. However, I would guesstimate that the majority of live threads are not much older than two years.
It is immaterial whether the removed threads are cached somewhere or deleted. When threads are removed, a member’s posts in the removed threads must be counted and added to his existing count of dead posts.
Posts which cannot be recovered after the accidental deletion of the SL forum fall within neither the dead nor the live category. As far as the algorithm is concerned, these lost posts are neither dead (they did not exist 2 or more years ago), nor are they live (they do not exist now). This may explain why
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as backups are put in place your post count will rise but it will not return to its exact former level |
3. If my reasoning is correct, no one has lost more posts than they have accumulated by posting in the SL forum since the most recent removal of threads. This would account for why SL veterans did not lose thousands of posts when the forum went down and why some have kept their their rank while others have been demoted. For example, if their dead post count plus live posts on forums other than SL warrants King, they have stayed at that rank. If, however they have gained King rank in the last years mainly through posting on SL, they have suffered a temporary demotion.
4. The bottom line appears to be that any SL posts after the date to which the forum can be restored are not going to be credited unless the powers that be are prepared to alter members’ dead post counts.
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AGRICOLA
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Canadian bush & Florida
Feb 2003
time: 00:16
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I believe that your count will go back to nearly what you had once the forum is restored. I think that we need only to wait until the forum actually comes back on line.
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16-04-2005 17:45
You know what I've told you before. Be patient until the backups have been restored. If your postcount isn't back after then we'll have to figure something out. Spamming isn't gonna help you in any case.
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