21-04-2005 06:05									#31
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here are the top 500 universities in the world

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm

who cares about CS. they all need management to actually communicate what they are saying, because a) 9/10 of them have no people skills, and b) live inside little boxes. maybe they should need to minor in communications or something.

	21-04-2005 06:07									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Or don't participate. I know a number of math competitions on which my school does not rank well because it doesn't emphasize them - but on most it completely owns.

I don't see why they wouldn't participate. Not only does the school get free IBM systems worth a lot of money if they make it to the finals, but they also get the publicity/prestige from it (like it or not, these contests are watched closely both by academia and industry recruiters). They also get a free trip to somewhere exotic for a week, expenses paid (last year Hawaii, this year China) and an unbelievable networking chance with lots of industry experts.

You'd have to be mind-numbigly stupid not to give up at least a weekend to participate.

	21-04-2005 06:08									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia here are the top 500 universities in the world http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm who cares about CS. they all need management to actually communicate what they are saying, because a) 9/10 of them have no people skills, and b) live inside little boxes. maybe they should need to minor in communications or something.

The most inept managers in the technology world are people like you and Agathon.

You have the wrong stereotype of compsci majors as geeks with aspergers -- most of them are normal people that can not only do your job, but do something useful and demanded technically.

That's why they get paid more than you do.

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CS is math. I'm sure Aggie also thinks Newton didn't really need any original thought either...

	21-04-2005 06:12									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker CS is math. I'm sure Aggie also thinks Newton didn't really need any original thought either...

Yep, CS is usually part of the mathematics faculty. Until relatively recently, my school gave out CS degrees as math degrees with a concentration in Computational Science...

CS takes a lot of pure math, and a lot of applied math, and very strong analytical and problem-solving abilities. It requires loads of original thought.

Agathon is confusing CS with computer programming courses you take in high school or at the community college.

A good CS school won't have a programming course past the first year...

	21-04-2005 06:14									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor *cough*

Yeah, it's kind of hard to take a study seriously that makes SUCH an error.

	21-04-2005 06:15									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia here are the top 500 universities in the world http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm

WOOT!

My undergrad college is 44th in the World in that study .

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quote: The most inept managers in the technology world are people like you and Agathon.

you guys site in the cubical and do all the grunt work. i take the numbers and use them. so in the end, im using you. aaah, what a great feeling.

quote: You have the wrong stereotype of compsci majors as geeks with aspergers -- most of them are normal people that can not only do your job, but do something useful and demanded technically.

normal my ass!! the only majors with more mental issues are psych majors. if you think CS majors are normal, you gotta get outta that cubical.

quote: most of them are normal people that can not only do your job, but do something useful and demanded technically.

no, i would disagree. Not only can they not communicate with others (Thus eliminating the majority of management positions) they also cant cook, drive, clean, do any atheltic sports, or do biology, economics, psychology, or even make coffee.

quote: That's why they get paid more than you do.

they get paid more then I do because im not willing to sit in a dark hole all day. . and soon, all you guys will be outsourced to India anyways, and then you'll be paid less.

	21-04-2005 06:16									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, it's kind of hard to take a study seriously that makes SUCH an error.

What study? This ain't a study.

And that error was mine, I added the countries and goofed on that one.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yep, CS is usually part of the mathematics faculty. Until relatively recently, my school gave out CS degrees as math degrees with a concentration in Computational Science... CS takes a lot of pure math, and a lot of applied math, and very strong analytical and problem-solving abilities. It requires loads of original thought. Agathon is confusing CS with computer programming courses you take in high school or at the community college. A good CS school won't have a programming course past the first year...

I believe Aggie think that math just has to do with adding and multiplying numbers, which also requires no original thought.

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia here are the top 500 universities in the world http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm who cares about CS. they all need management to actually communicate what they are saying, because a) 9/10 of them have no people skills, and b) live inside little boxes. maybe they should need to minor in communications or something.

I'll be damned, my university (University of Idaho) actually made it in the top 500 in the world! I find that hard to believe though... Not that it’s a bad university or anything but out of the thousands of universities in the world, Idaho actually is near the top?

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia you guys site in the cubical and do all the grunt work. i take the numbers and use them. so in the end, im using you. aaah, what a great feeling.

quote: normal my ass!! the only majors with more mental issues are psych majors. if you think CS majors are normal, you gotta get outta that cubical.

Most CS majors are normal people. Skaters, stoners, nerds, slackers...all of the above.

quote: they get paid more then I do because im not willing to sit in a dark hole all day. . and soon, all you guys will be outsourced to India anyways, and then you'll be paid less.

See, people like you don't understand the industry.

I deal with this first hand -- IBMers in India and customers for American tech companies with Indian employees all the time. The kind of jobs outsourced to India should scare the kids taking programming courses at their community college, but not university-degree software engineers/computer scientists. That's why our salaries keep going up, even though I hear all of the dumbass management students saying my job is going to India.

	21-04-2005 06:21									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What study? This ain't a study. And that error was mine, I added the countries and goofed on that one.

Ah, so I can add this to the reasons why your claims of intellectual superiority are incorrect

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ah, so I can add this to the reasons why your claims of intellectual superiority are incorrect

Someone with intellect realizes knowledge and intellect are not the same thing.

	21-04-2005 06:23									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia here are the top 500 universities in the world http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2004/top500list.htm

This stat is centred on the performance of unis wrt research. All of its measures bar one come from the contribution to scientific research and aren't linked to the pedagogic quality or to the uni's impact in non-research related fields.

	21-04-2005 06:24									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Someone with intellect realizes knowledge and intellect are not the same thing.

But also that they're highly correlated.

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Knowledge is an important part of intellect. After all, intellect is the capacity for knowledge, so, while it is not exact, the level of knowledge should have a correlation with the level of intellect (unless you are autistic or something ) .

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if my univ had any alumi who won awards, we would be in the top 5. too bad. its cuz weve only been around since 1960 i guess.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Knowledge is an important part of intellect. After all, intellect is the capacity for knowledge, so, while it is not exact, the level of knowledge should have a correlation with the level of intellect (unless you are autistic or something ) .

What if I had a form of autism, would you still love me?

And intellect isn't just the capacity for knowledge, either. It's about reasoning and being able to think abstractly, as well.

Goofing on the country of a worthless far-away city isn't a sign of anything but the weak arguments of those who bring it up.

	21-04-2005 06:33									#51
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quote: This stat is centred on the performance of unis wrt research. All of its measures bar one come from the contribution to scientific research and aren't linked to the pedagogic quality or to the uni's impact in non-research related fields.

well yeah, its hard to quantity non research contributions.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher What if I had a form of autism, would you still love me? And intellect isn't just the capacity for knowledge, either. It's about reasoning and being able to think abstractly, as well. Goofing on the country of a worthless far-away city isn't a sign of anything but the weak arguments of those who bring it up.

Or a successful troll.

	21-04-2005 06:34									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Or a successful troll.

There are far better potential trolls in this thread to stir reactions.

I suppose it would take intellect for them to realize this...

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You bit, didn't you?

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quote: The winner solves the most problems in the shortest amount of time.

So quantity over quality?

Interesting. If I want to learn how to sluff out code, then I will go to Calgary.

If I want to learn to program, I should spend money elsewhere.

	21-04-2005 06:37									#56
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quote: And intellect isn't just the capacity for knowledge, either. It's about reasoning and being able to think abstractly, as well.

Same thing really. Reasoning and abstract thinking is part of the capacity for knowlege. How is most knowledge gained?

quote: Goofing on the country of a worthless far-away city isn't a sign of anything but the weak arguments of those who bring it up.

And once again... you show the low knowlege level you possess. Basic geography should be known by knowlegable people. Especially when dealing with a city of 2.3 million people and a country's capital!

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi So quantity over quality? Interesting. If I want to learn how to sluff out code, then I will go to Calgary. If I want to learn to program, I should spend money elsewhere.

Quality of the code is analyzed in a tie situation, but is a subjective minefield of conflicting schools of thought.

The contest is to determine problem solving aptitude more than anything else.

They don't teach you how to "sluff out code" at Calgary, they teach you how to solve problems. The problem is a lot of universities seem to be just focusing on how to "sluff out code", increasingly the US ones, which is why they're tanking in the rankings compared to other schools.

For what it's worth, UBC finally ranked above Calgary this year. They're 19th or something?

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Or a successful troll.

And such easy biting... oh, so easy.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You bit, didn't you?

I'm terribly bored waiting for my guild to finish a raid in World of Warcraft -- I'm eagerly replying to any and everything to kill time.

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quote: Most CS majors are normal people. Skaters, stoners, nerds, slackers...all of the above.

suuuuuuuurrrrreeee

quote: See, people like you don't understand the industry. I deal with this first hand -- IBMers in India and customers for American tech companies with Indian employees all the time. The kind of jobs outsourced to India should scare the kids taking programming courses at their community college, but not university-degree software engineers/computer scientists. That's why our salaries keep going up, even though I hear all of the dumbass management students saying my job is going to India.

they are, as soon as they realize you guys are overpaid, lazy, and cant communicate. they can cut all the fat in america, and hire five times as many CS guys in India, plus managers, for the price of one in america, and they do a better job. plus they dont ask for healthcare, or any other perks. a win win.