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Lul Thyme
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Quebec, Canada
Aug 2000
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by Agathon
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Computer Science is a rigourous academic subject, ones that Philosophers have been failing out of for decades |
Oh rubbish.
It's playing with toys and involves very little original or creative thought. Well it involves what computer scientists would call creative or original thought -- but it bores the hell out of everyone else.
If a contest doesn't include the usual suspects, it's a sign it's a poor contest or one not worth worrying about. It's as if Albania had won the World Cup. |
You know, you should really choose your battles.
(I know you stopped participating in this thread but whatever)
Asher is almost never exatly on the money, he always exagerates his side of the argument etc...
But you come fight a battle you know nothing about, and make a fool of yourself.
You have obviously no idea what such a contest is about, what it requires to solve these problems etc...
If you really want to have him up the a*s, then wait until he's bending down, he does it enough.
Right now you're just humping a tree.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:21
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Agathon, idiot, what do you mean by original thoughts? Hey.. read the word SCIENCE.. CS as in Computer SCIENCE. The area is quite wide, and when it comes to programming and techniques and all there is to it, just to really grasp what it's truly about, it'll take a long long time and then you are just beginning. It doesnt' stop there either. There's masses of theory involved, design, implementation. The implementation part is only one part of programming. To figure out those, you need to be creative, yet logical and have a mind suitable for the subject. It bores people who can't hack it. Mostly people whose attention span is less than 5 seconds, and who never understood the value of mathematics, even to this date.
It IS creative. It IS problem solving. It IS designing and implementation. To you it means drinking lot of coke while drawing some sketchy UML diagrams, and then coding it together in one night. Right? That says more about you than it says about CS. AND the value of CS and it's contributions to the world are countless. Everything has some kind of processor now, embedded systems, how do you think they work? How do you think new technology works? How do you think ANYTHING would work today if it wasn't for CS. IF it was up to you, we'd be wearing speedos and starving because 'killing animals is wrong'. Right, there you go, why would I even debate this with cannibal communist, who is getting his racist gear on?
You see programming as typing, and then you have some kind of an applications and it does something. Wow.. very creative thoughts. The innovations and the developments of technology is rocketing through skies every day. Can you say the same for many other areas? Sure, they are important also, but as for science, CS brings you the tools to DO science, to research, to come up with better solutions, it gives you the services you use today, for example Apolyton to begin with and many others, like banks, grocery stores and their systems. CS is POWER, it's the past, present and the future where as philosophy is what? Waste of time.
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aneeshm
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Indore , Madhya Pradesh
Jul 2001
time: 10:51
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I'm with Asher and Pekka here .
Look at it this way - when philosophers are of the right kind , they get out of the way of the scientists and technicians , and let them do the job of advancing science and civilisation . When they are bad , they hinder progress . Thus , the effects philosophers have had on society have , for the most part , been usually negative , thanks to them giving intellectual credence to junk .
Computer scientists , on the other hand , have enhanced the quality of human life tremendoucly almost everywhere .
Another important point is the assumption that "people skills" are some sarcosanct value , never to be questioned . It is not a doctor with "people skills" who saves lives - it is one who is technically competent . **How would you feel about driving a car designed by a team of people chosen for "people skills" , versus one designed by nerds/geeks/(negative asocial stereotype) who were geniuses in car design ?
I'd rather have a person who has no "people skills" , but gets the job done , done well , and done well on time when asked , than a person with great "people skills" but no ( or very little , or even just average ) ability . **If your life depended on it , wouldn't you ?
A telling case in point is this discussion itself - you can have it without philosphers ( though then the topic would not have come up ) , but not without the computer scientists who designed the systems that made it possible .
The two "**" mark two questions , the answers to which will demonstrate the credibility of my opponents' arguments to us and the rest of the readers of this thread . If unanswered , the meaning will be clear - my opponents have no anser to give , and thus do not have much of a case , either .
And though I am not a native English speaker , and I do make the occasional typing mistake , I at least try to use the language correctly . This coming from a science student in high school . And I thought philosophy taught you to be ( at the very least ) careful in your wording and precise about the uses of words . I think you need to learn some grammar - from a highschooler .
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