22-04-2005 02:48									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Az Which 4 allied powers? I know US, SU, and Britain. Who else?

the cheese eating surrender monkeys

	22-04-2005 02:51									#32
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I am hardly known for my dislike for the french: actually, I like their country very much. But this is very weird, and sounds like a bone thrown to the french. I don't think that this fooled anyone as to the impact of France in the war.

	22-04-2005 02:52									#33
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Churchill advocated that they be included, and the others thought it couldn't hurt much.

	22-04-2005 02:54									#34
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Yeah, yeah. Stop repeating yourself, it wasn't that clever.

	22-04-2005 02:57									#35
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France

--> 4th ally

Damn, was my answer late...

	22-04-2005 03:00									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Az I am hardly known for my dislike for the french: actually, I like their country very much. But this is very weird, and sounds like a bone thrown to the french. I don't think that this fooled anyone as to the impact of France in the war.

You DO know that they also got an occupation zone in Germany, a far bigger bone than the zone in Austria? And a zone in Berlin? And that well into the '80s, at least, the French forces in Germany were deployed in the old French occupation zone (as US forces were in the old US zone, and Brits and Canadians in the old UK zone)?

	22-04-2005 03:06									#37
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Who else could it have been? China? Ethiopa? Brazil?

	22-04-2005 03:07									#38
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Who else could it have been? China? Ethiopa? Brazil?

	22-04-2005 03:09									#39
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quote: Blue is the colour of Liberalism, always has been.

Except in the countries who don't eat fried fat straight out of bag, where it is yellow. At least to my knowledge.

	22-04-2005 03:21									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Why the roses?

The red rose stands for love and represents (in traditional socialist ideology) taking care of each other.

	22-04-2005 03:22									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Except in the countries who don't eat fried fat straight out of bag, where it is yellow. At least to my knowledge.

Hmm, and what do you think the blue colour in the French tricolore stands for?

Crunchilité?

	22-04-2005 04:23									#42
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alone, it doesnt stand for anything.

	22-04-2005 06:23									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Why the roses?

I think it's the old symbol of the social-democratic internationale, when it splitted off the Communist internationale.

	22-04-2005 06:24									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Hmm, and what do you think the blue colour in the French tricolore stands for?

One half of Paris' old symbolic colours.

Paris colours are Bllue and Red (I think it's very old), and the white in-between symbolizes the monarchy.

	22-04-2005 07:02									#45
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Amazing how many countries sport the blue, red, white combination in some variant.

	22-04-2005 07:04									#46
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Oh, yeah, the second mp paiktis posted is wrong on the south part too. Montenegro is not muslim but Orthodox Christian.

	22-04-2005 07:20									#47
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So the only period the Netherlands had a government with a social democratic alignment was 1973-1977

	22-04-2005 07:44									#48
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And it lists Switzerland as Catholic....

I believe Hungary is heavily mixed between Protestant and Catholic too. Probably others.

	22-04-2005 08:32									#49
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Blue = Liberty, White = Equality, Red = Fraternity.

Which naturally led to

Blue = Liberalism, Red = Socialism.

	22-04-2005 08:34									#50
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... and all whites are equal

	22-04-2005 08:35									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Blue = Liberty, White = Equality, Red = Fraternity.

Maybe in the case of a country whose symbolism I don't know. But not in the case of France.

I'm fairly confident that the flag was made when the revolutionaries expected a constitutional monarchy, and that it represents the two colours of Paris + the colour of the monarchy

	22-04-2005 08:42									#52
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Also, it's sad that there aren't any no-religion majority places yet. Unless, of course, they aren't marked.

Czech Republic.

	22-04-2005 08:45									#53
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re: French flag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_France

quote: The origins of the tricolore are said to be a rosette, created in July 1789 during the French Revolution, which (according to legend among vexillologists) used a combination of the colours of the coat of arms of Paris (red and blue) and the royal colour (white), with the combination often being credited to the Marquis de Lafayette. However it is unlikely that this is correct, since by 1789 the colours of Paris were no longer in use; more probable is that La Fayette just adopted the colours of the American Revolution (blue, red and white). Most historians, including those in France, agree with this last version, although the legend predominates.

	22-04-2005 08:48									#54
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USA! USA! USA!

	22-04-2005 10:09									#55
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quote: I'm fairly confident that the flag was made when the revolutionaries expected a constitutional monarchy, and that it represents the two colours of Paris + the colour of the monarchy

thats correct

quote: The origins of the tricolore are said to be a rosette, created in July 1789 during the French Revolution, which (according to legend among vexillologists) used a combination of the colours of the coat of arms of Paris (red and blue) and the royal colour (white), with the combination often being credited to the Marquis de Lafayette. However it is unlikely that this is correct, since by 1789 the colours of Paris were no longer in use; more probable is that La Fayette just adopted the colours of the American Revolution (blue, red and white). Most historians, including those in France, agree with this last version, although the legend predominates.

that, is wrong.

even the french embassy supports spiffy's statement.

quote: In the early days of the French Revolution, the three colors were initially brought together in the form of a cockade. In July 1789, just before the taking of the Bastille, Paris was in a state of high agitation. A militia was formed; its distinctive sign was a two-color cockade made up of the ancient colors of Paris, blue and red. On July 17, Louis XVI came to Paris to recognize the new National Guard, sporting the blue and red cockade, to which the Commander of the Guard, Lafayette, it appears, had added the royal white. The law of 27 pluviôse, Year II (February 15, 1794), established the "tricolor" as the national flag. At the recommendation of the painter David, the law stipulated that the blue should be flown nearest the flagstaff.

allez les bleus.

	22-04-2005 12:12									#56
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quote: that, is wrong. even the french embassy supports spiffy's statement.

I'll trust wikipedia over the French Embassy... especially considering the French government's ultra pro-French culture policy.

	22-04-2005 12:30									#57
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quote: I'll trust wikipedia over the French Embassy... especially considering the French government's ultra pro-French culture policy.

and who writes wikipedia entries?

	22-04-2005 12:31									#58
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People I trust more than those who write French Embassy entries.

	22-04-2005 12:37									#59
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uh huh, there you have it, its a disreputable source, unknown author, who might have any axe to grind. none of this evidence would be presentable in court. therefore, we will go with my source, until you find an academic one.

	22-04-2005 12:57									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui People I trust more than those who write French Embassy entries.

I don't think thatthe people who write French embassy entries would write that OzzyKP is a white supremacist, ya know