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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:35
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Originally posted by pchang
Up until those new Eastern members, it was the franco prussian superstate and nothing more...... |
Not precisely:
1. It wasn't and still isn't a superstate, far from it (whereas the Beneluxians would have really managed to make their thing into a highly integrated, yet tiny and internationally irrelevant, superstate).
2. However, it was the #2 economic bloc, and something that became increasingly integrated and efficient. After decades of efforts, the EU is now able to defend its trade and monetary interests as equals or near-equals to the US. If you compare with the sixities or with even the nineties, that's a huge progress.
So, the "nothing more" in the quote isn't really appropriate. When you have created an economic giant that can defend its interests on its own, the "nothing more" is a bit ironic 
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Admiral
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of the peace and coexistance movement
Feb 2001
time: 00:35
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Originally posted by Agathon
They have a couple of gripes, but historically China has not been an expansionist power. |
And what happened in Vietnam? Korea? Russia? Nothing? Lets face it, the main reason why China hasn't been imperialist is because its been fighting off foreign imperialism since the seventeen hundreds. After WWII, when China was, for basically the first time in three hundred years, unified under one strong rule, China has been posturing, getting into border conflicts, and trying to otherwise intimidate its neighbors until the present.
That, coupled with the fact that China combines the worst aspects of capitalist and communist government, I think that China should be very worrying to a lot of people. Especially the consistently leftwing types like Agathon.
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Mordoch
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Denver, Colorado
Jan 2002
time: 05:35
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Don't worry, they're only blinded by the nationality.
If Bush had done exactly the same (but sold Boeings instead of Airbuses), quite a few people in this thread would sing a radically different tune. |
If Bush did the same thing I'd be calling for his impeachment! By the way, I would be willing to personally fight to defend Taiwan even if they have modern weaponry. Its worth noting its not easy for China to sucessfully invade Taiwan even with their military modernization.
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As soon as the dictators in Beijing get kicked out, the better.
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