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Meaning if you kill 100 people, you get life sentence of maximum of 15 years. |
So if I understand this correctly, you can go on a killing spree and be out before your hair starts to turn grey?
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:17
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Space, yes. Do it in your 20s, you're out in your 30s. no ifs buts or ands..
Agathon, it's problematic, since murder in finland means you have to have killed a person using extreme cruelty. FOr example shooting them 10 times is not showing cruelty. It means torture. THAT'S murder. Premeditated act does not actually mean murder by default, which is the definition everywhere else.
SO. If you MURDER someone, it's .. depends. Could be life sentence (if only one torture kill, 12 year maximum, if more, then 15 year maximum). So.. if you get life, you are not getting out with half served. But you can be paroled earlier, usually they get out in 10 or so, being paroled. And that's when they kill a new person  .
So.. basically the 12 years is the tops. For multiple crimes, 15 years is tops. This includes massacers. This means, that for single kill, you won't get maximum, because you could do a lot more as well, adn the spectrum has to be... used in proper way.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:17
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DanS, exacto.. you know this dude will get his in the prison, but still... I mean... this screams vigilantism, which is exactly what we should avoid.
Oerdin, yeah tell me about it. I make these threads all the time, too. I'm not alwyas picking up the most outrageous cases even, so this is the norm. Just the idea, that you can molest 445 kids, so what if it happens in another country, that you can't sit more than 5 years in real life in prison. Remember, these are his victims in Thailand, the ones he himself wrote down to his memoirs and filmed etc. There's bound to be more.
As for a rule, if you rape a kid, you don't go to prison. You'll get like a year or 18 months paroled sentence. Rape a woman, you'll get less. Maybe a year paroled. Kill a person, if stabbing, anywhere from 2 years to 5 or 6 years, out in less. Man, you can kill a person by stuffing a knife into their stomach and repeat 20 times, and get out in year.
Crime rate is low. MUrder rate AND VIOLENT CRIME rate is HIGH HIGH HIGH. REmember, when talking about sentences, you don't get sentenced in here for just moletsing or little torture gaming someone. So those sometimes won't even show in statistics. It has to be a god damn pulp fiction type kill to make it to the news sometimes.
So, is it safe in here? yes it is. But justice system is not working.
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DanS
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:17
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Welcome to the US...
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2004 Federal Sentencing Guidelines
Chapter 2 - PART A - OFFENSES AGAINST THE PERSON
1. HOMICIDE
§2A1.1. First Degree Murder
(a) Base Offense Level: 43
Commentary
Statutory Provisions: 18 U.S.C. §§ 1111, 2113(e), 2118(c)(2), 2332b(a)(1), 2340A; 21 U.S.C. § 848(e). For additional statutory provision(s), see Appendix A (Statutory Index).
Application Notes:
1. Applicability of Guideline.—This guideline applies in cases of premeditated killing. This guideline also applies when death results from the commission of certain felonies. For example, this guideline may be applied as a result of a cross reference (e.g., a kidnapping in which death occurs), or in cases in which the offense level of a guideline is calculated using the underlying crime (e.g., murder in aid of racketeering).
2. Imposition of Life Sentence.—
(A) Offenses Involving Premeditated Killing.—In the case of premeditated killing, life imprisonment is the appropriate sentence if a sentence of death is not imposed. A downward departure would not be appropriate in such a case. A downward departure from a mandatory statutory term of life imprisonment is permissible only in cases in which the government files a motion for a downward departure for the defendant’s substantial assistance, as provided in 18 U.S.C. § 3553(e).
(B) Felony Murder.—If the defendant did not cause the death intentionally or knowingly, a downward departure may be warranted. For example, a downward departure may be warranted if in robbing a bank, the defendant merely passed a note to the teller, as a result of which the teller had a heart attack and died. The extent of the departure should be based upon the defendant’s state of mind (e.g., recklessness or negligence), the degree of risk inherent in the conduct, and the nature of the underlying offense conduct. However, departure below the minimum guideline sentence provided for second degree murder in §2A1.2 (Second Degree Murder) is not likely to be appropriate. Also, because death obviously is an aggravating factor, it necessarily would be inappropriate to impose a sentence at a level below that which the guideline for the underlying offense requires in the absence of death.
3. Applicability of Guideline When Death Sentence Not Imposed.—If the defendant is sentenced pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3591 et seq. or 21 U.S.C. § 848(e), a sentence of death may be imposed under the specific provisions contained in that statute. This guideline applies when a sentence of death is not imposed under those specific provisions. |
http://www.ussc.gov/2004guid/tabcon04_1.htm
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VetLegion
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DanS, so how much would he get in the USA?
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