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Starchild
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a raving alcoholic drama queen with a penchant for the biosciences
Jan 1970
time: 00:18
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Well, not dead but starting to be absorbed into mobile phones. The mobile killed the landline (more mobile phones on the planet than landline phones), is killing the PDA (smartphone sales are up while PDA ones are dropping), has knives out for the digital camera and is now about to take on the personal music player.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7312
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New Nokia cellphone to challenge MP3 players
A cellphone that can store as much music as Apple's popular iPod Mini MP3 player will be launched by Nokia later in 2005.
The move follows Sony-Ericsson's unveiling in March of a music-storing "Walkman" phone and marks another nail in the coffin for pure MP3 players. Cellphone makers are betting that people will prefer to carry one gadget rather than two.
Like the basic iPod Mini, Nokia's new phone incorporates a diminutive 4-gigabyte hard disc drive capable of storing at least 3000 music tracks. By comparison the first Walkman phone - the W800, also to be released later in 2005 - will store about 150 tracks on a 0.5 gigabyte flash-memory card.
"But users can buy their own 2 gigabyte memory cards and store almost 1000 songs," says a Sony-Ericsson spokesman. "And remember this is only the first Walkman phone, we will be launching more with greater storage."
Apple has already struck a deal with US phone and chip maker Motorola to jointly create an "iPod phone" capable of interfacing easily with Apple's iTunes music purchasing and track management service, but the relationship has yet to bear fruit.
Hard-disc jockeying
Nokia's N91 phone was launched in Amsterdam in the Netherlands on Wednesday, where vice-president of multimedia, Anssi Vanjoki described it as a "connected mobile jukebox".
A version with a 3G connection will be available to allow the wireless downloading of music - an approach proving popular in Japan - while the standard GSM phone will use a computer and USB connection. Like the Sony-Ericsson W800, the N91 has a 2-megapixel camera built in.
Hard disc drives are being incorporated into small-scale consumer products very rapidly, thanks to research - carried out by firms like Hitachi and Samsung which is shrinking disc size.
But there are disadvantages. The spinning discs make for increasingly power-hungry gadgets, notes Carl Franklin, technology analyst with the stockbroker Bridgewell Securities in London, UK. "Once your phone is running a hard drive your battery lifetime could suffer. That's going to be a major challenge for Nokia's engineers."
“Active working timeâ€
In early tests, Vanjoki says the N91 gave five hours of "active working time", with the phone, music and camera functions frequently used. "Old terms like ‘standby’ power and ’talk time’ are just not applicable concepts anymore because the phones are doing too many other things," he adds.
Sony's W800, based on flash memory - which has no moving parts - offers between 15 and 30 hours of battery life, depending on how often the phone and music player are used simultaneously.
The N91 was one of three multimedia-heavy phones launched by Nokia, all of which stick with the Symbian Series 60 smartphone operating system. One of the other handsets - the N90 - uses a Carl Zeiss lens to improve the quality of camera images users.
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All hail the mobile phone. The borg of the gadget world.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:18
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UR, don't make me laugh either. Let's look at the N90 model. AAAND quote "One of the other handsets - the N90 - uses a Carl Zeiss lens to improve the quality of camera images users."
Now, 2 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss lens.. in a freaking phone! If you want to capture the sporting events and make the national geographics photos, then of course you don't use a mobile phone to do it. However, if not actively shooting professional type of things, this is STARTING to truly challenge,comparing price, and all that. And the technology is getting better all the time. That is one crazy performance from small phone, where taking photos is only one thing it can do.
As for iPods, well, iPods are cool so we'll see. The battery lifetime will be a problem, at least with Nokia if they use HD. Then again, they can then use the HD for many other purposes as well, like storage those photos, storage anything.
And yes, Symbian should be MurderKilled. It's freaking nightmare. AT least for me 
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:18
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Oerdin, well, it won't be too long, Nokia is coming up with some exciting things in the future, just like other mobile companies.
When people say, that well yeah a phone is a phone so I don't want to buy a thing that does some other things half assed as well. That's not where it's going. They don't even call it the cell phone anymore. It's mobile device/gadget. The thing is that the resources of a cell phone has been very limited for a long time, as far as memory, CPU and other performance limiting factors go. But now the vision is not a cell phone, but mobile device. There are tons of technology and applications to be done, and the challenge is keep it mobile sized and mobile priced. The trade off hasn't been always very good, like with the pictures etc, but it's slowly getting there.
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Originally posted by Pekka
UR, don't make me laugh either. Let's look at the N90 model. AAAND quote "One of the other handsets - the N90 - uses a Carl Zeiss lens to improve the quality of camera images users." |
Which N90? The Nikon one? 
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Originally posted by Pekka
Now, 2 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss lens.. in a freaking phone! If you want to capture the sporting events and make the national geographics photos, then of course you don't use a mobile phone to do it. However, if not actively shooting professional type of things, this is STARTING to truly challenge,comparing price, and all that. |
Since I haven't looked at the gadget I am going to reserve my comments until later.
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Originally posted by Pekka
And the technology is getting better all the time. |
We still can't bend x-ray with lenses yet. Which means there is a physical lower barrier to how small components can get on an integrated circuit. Besides, lenses aren't going to get much smaller.
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Originally posted by Pekka
And yes, Symbian should be MurderKilled. It's freaking nightmare. AT least for me |
Too bad, the sales went up.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:18
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 at you dude.
What are you? A professional photographer? Haven't you ever read any thoughts of professional photographers? one of the most famous quote goes, that it doesn't matter what equipment you have, how many times you take the photo, how professional you are, but the japanese tourist with his 10 euro camera can walk next to you, take one picture that is way better than yours and walk away.
This is mobile device concept, not professional photography concept. you can't even spot the differencies in quality most of the times, unless you're the kind of a person who spends 9 hours straight figuring out if a picture is fake or not, and claim it's fake because you found something, and it turned out to be real after all.
You just are not sensible. And obvioulsy pissed off because mobile devices are marching on and soon taking your .. I don't know.. job, life and house!
Yeah too bad the sales went up.. wait a minute.. not.. and unless you want to talk about the programming, application or OS side of the mobile devices, don't ignite the discussion on that or Hulkamania will run wild on you BROTHER!
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Originally posted by Pekka
This is mobile device concept, not professional photography concept. |
Oh, I am not saying that the camera inside them mobile phones isn't getting better. I am just disputing Starchild's notion that they can seriously threaten standalone digital cameras. It may even be good for some purposes, say, you see this hot babe walking down the street...
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Originally posted by Pekka
you can't even spot the differencies in quality most of the times, unless you're the kind of a person who spends 9 hours straight figuring out if a picture is fake or not, and claim it's fake because you found something, and it turned out to be real after all. |
Crazy ramblings, Pekka, crazy ramblings
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Originally posted by Pekka
You just are not sensible. And obvioulsy pissed off because mobile devices are marching on and soon taking your .. I don't know.. job, life and house! |
Not likely
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Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah too bad the sales went up.. wait a minute.. not.. and unless you want to talk about the programming, application or OS side of the mobile devices, don't ignite the discussion on that or Hulkamania will run wild on you BROTHER! |
* Urban Ranger decides not to poke Pekka further on this subject
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28-04-2005 06:07
Maybe in your country.
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