05-05-2005 09:39									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia agathon.

Nah, he didn't try hard enough.

Albuquerque, New Mexico doesn't have jurisdiction in Austin, Texas.

At least be accurate.

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	05-05-2005 09:57									#123
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hes british, its all the same for the limeys

	05-05-2005 11:03									#124
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat You forget one thing, this is on TV, so of course you aren't protected by the 1st amendment.

So then why are televised Ku Klux Klan rallies protected, but god for forbid if some unexpected profanity on television occurs -- then it's jail time, mister.

	05-05-2005 11:04									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski The kkk mr fun?? This assembly hardly resembles anything the kkk meetings would bring about... The woman i see is not popular however if ur going and disagree with her words there is a way of stating that this student didnt do.

I wasn't pointing out that this appearance by the queen of c*nts was similar to a Ku Klux Klan rally.

I was pointing out that our priorities are pretty f*cked up if a student can get arrested for profanity, while we protect hate speech under the first amendment.

	05-05-2005 11:06									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski ok ya know what ill conceed on this cause if this is true she is a real *****. and the student went down to prove she is full of it. I just hope it was worth it to him for this..

in other words . . . . . .






you got pwned by teh Boris

	05-05-2005 11:24									#127
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Now, now, be nice. The fact that she hasn't taken to vehemently defending Ann Coulter shows that Mrs. T has a reasonable head on her shoulders. Besides, she gave us an excuse to mock Coulter for the neurotic psychopath in desperate need of a straight-jacket she is.

	05-05-2005 11:25									#128
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oh, ok

	05-05-2005 11:27									#129
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OH GOD, LOOK OUT!!! IT'S A CREAME PIE!! AHHHH!!!!!

	05-05-2005 13:47									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Did any of you even read the article? He was arrested for disorderly conduct. You can be arrested for anything a policeman decides to arrest you for. Whether they were right in arresting him is entirely different. I don't feel sorry for the jackass, but I imagine charges will be dropped. Which I am also fine with. If you don't like Ann Coulter, don't go to her speech. ACK!

disorderly conduct is a bullshit charge in of itself, but do you think it's a good thing police can arrest you for nothing?

	05-05-2005 15:35									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski While this guy shouldnt have been arrested this way he was out of line. Such behavior i doubt will be tolerated anywhere it has nothing to do with the fact this jackass was speaking in texas. Im almost sure this would hve happened in any other state as well. While i dont agree with this woman as she spouts utter crap, the young man thrown to the floor should have had a bit more class and asked a decent question.

And that is how Mrs. Tuberski got sucked up into 'poly's endless and irresoluble political debates . . . . . . . . .

	05-05-2005 15:37									#132
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So, basically, this was an ordinary Ann Coulter speech?

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So then why are televised Ku Klux Klan rallies protected, but god for forbid if some unexpected profanity on television occurs -- then it's jail time, mister.

Can't explain it, and don't understand it.- it's a special US trait. Actually some common danish children radio programs could never be sent in US - the bleep rate would be too high (oh, and it's the children that would be bleeped out).

	05-05-2005 17:05									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski This woman said all that???

Ann Coulter routinely says stuff like that. People like Ned love her for it and the rest of us hate her for it.

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And this is why christian right is dangerous. They claim all the time how everyone is picking on them so they need to be vigilant in a way.

But we all know, words get thrown back and forth, they judging the rest of us people, and we getting angry about it and shouting back.

But the fact is.... it's them who will destroy us all if they have the chance to. They wouldn't blink or think twice to murder tens of thousands. Muslims, gays, you name it. The pussies of them will not accept it, by silently tolerate it. They will have some nightmares over it, say few prayers, but they will never ever leave that crowd. They just hope that it would never happen again, and since the core is the same, they must stay together.

It's that part of the group of people who have started more wars, on whose values wars have been started, what the rest of us like to call useless wars, non-defensive wars etc. It is those people who put us against muslims, and from muslim side put against us. At the end of the day, we disagree, but we almost must fight because it's not up to us anymore, a fight is a fight but let's not forget who salivated over it the most, who believes it's doing God's work.

Some might claim, well, they would never accept any kind of behaviour like th at, but the fact is, only few of them will stand up and fight back the tyranny and the absolute power of religious right.

My point is, no matter who shouts what, religious right is DANGEROUS to all of us, where as kids who shout something stupid are not dangerous. And it's the kid who we go after. Go figure.

	05-05-2005 17:55									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Az So, basically, this was an ordinary Ann Coulter speech?

Yep and typical witless response.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun So then why are televised Ku Klux Klan rallies protected, but god for forbid if some unexpected profanity on television occurs -- then it's jail time, mister.

I've never seen a televised KKK rally.

Are those on BET?

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Just a couple of more points on the arrest, according to the arrest warrant, http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archiv...coulter_1.html, children under 10 were present in the audience, the speaker made repeated obscene gestures after he asked the obscene question as he moved back to the rear of the audience where the protesters were grouped, and he nearly caused a riot as the Ann Coulter supporters, who were physically present at the front of the theater, were outraged at the question and behavior of the protester and made moves to physically restrain him before the cops moved in and arrested him. In other words, there well may have been a riot but for the arrest.

Assuming that the facts as stated in the war are true, does this change anybody's mind about whether the arrest was valid or not?

For example, should the police have arrested anybody trying to physically restrain the protester?

Should the police have arrested and Coulter?

	05-05-2005 18:26									#139
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Also, try to imagine you are a fascist attending an Al Franken speech with a lot of other fascists, and you want to disrupt his speech with an inappropriate question that is bound to offend liberals.

What would that question be?

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I think no one should have been arrested... the one who made the gestures and the question should have been thrown out from the building but that's about it. And if someone else starts with the same thing, them out too. And then onwards with the event. There could have been a riot but there wasn't. Everything AC says could be interpreted as 'possibly causing a riot' when people get offended and outraged, so, no, no one should have been arrested on that basis, since nothing happened. In my opinion of course.

	05-05-2005 18:33									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Anyway, that's not the point. Mrs. T. claims the kid got what he deserved for doing something offensive. My point is that Coulter is more offensive. Both her speech and the kid's are constitutionally protected, however.

Incitment is legal in the US?

	05-05-2005 18:34									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin the rest of us hate her for it.

I don't hate her. I'm mildly amused by her. I do recognize, however, that she is a dangergous demmogouge that should probably be put down for the good of the community.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Incitment is legal in the US?

No.

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Why isn't she punished already for this comment then?

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Just a couple of more points on the arrest, according to the arrest warrant, http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archiv...coulter_1.html, children under 10 were present in the audience, the speaker made repeated obscene gestures

Children aren't protected from public expressions of free speech. The only time the "think of the children" argument carries any weight whatsoever, is with broadcasting, and only then because the airwaves are a public resource. In fact, the arrestees actions are protected speech, and have been since SCOTUS said so in Cohen v. California in 1971. Remember, if you can't say "fvck!" you can't say "fvck the government!"

This was a BS arrest, especially since the person was leaving anyway.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Why isn't she punished already for this comment then? "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

Because she's making a hyperbolic political statement, not telling ordinary citizens to go out and kill liberals. It's clearly proteted speach. If she told the audience to "Kill that Liberal!" and pointed to a specific person, that would be incitement.

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quote: Originally posted by Ned Also, try to imagine you are a fascist attending an Al Franken speech with a lot of other fascists, and you want to disrupt his speech with an inappropriate question that is bound to offend liberals.

Ned, do you think conservatives don't routinely disrupt and heckle liberal speakers? The difference is how they handle it. A skilled commedian like Franken would heckle his hecklers back, and probably with much greater wit.

	05-05-2005 19:00									#148
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Then what about the point I made that the only way a riot could possibly have been prevented is by the police moving in and arresting the protester. Had they not done so, there could have been a lot of violence as the two adverse groups would have joined in hand-to-hand combat, somewhat akin to soccer matches in Europe where Brits attend foreign matches and are deliberately provocative.

	05-05-2005 19:02									#149
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Che, I'm surprised by your statement that fascists disrupt liberal speakers. It is my understanding that liberals don't speak to audiences that include conservatives.

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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Yep and typical witless response.

That hurt Ogie. It really did.