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Winston
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Danmark
Mar 1999
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Not crack, just the sweet the thrill of victory.  Three leaders ordered the invasion, three leaders re-elected All of the left's threats of electoral defeat for the coalitions have shown to add up to absolutely nothing! |
Considering all leaders live in very safe seats, I can't remember the last time a leader of *any* party lost his seat. And the leftosty coalitions have managed to get George Galloway elected, a far far less likely thing than deposing any of the main party leaders.
Moreover, the votes in utterly safe Tory seats, like Howard, don't usually care about things like the Iraq war. |
Um, Shi wasn't talking about British party leaders, but the three main leaders behind the Iraq war; Bush, Howard and Blair all got re-elected.
And also Anders Fogh Rasmussen as lotm was kind enough to point out. 
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CerberusIV
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The NI elections get more coverage here in Ireland than the British elections do - not surprising because they have more direct relevance.
the view here seems to be that it is a good thing Tony got back. Makes sense really as, if he is going to go in 2-3 years time, pushing hard for, and getting, a long term settlement in NI would be a memorable final achievement for him.
The DUP taking almost all the Unionist vote is actually not as bad as it looks. The political analysts here (or some of them at least) are beginning to make the point that the younger figures in the DUP who now have Westminster seats are likely to want to do more than just rant. Paisley may remain as the figurehead but a deal is likely regardless of his rhetoric.
Also, the DUP now have a clear mandate. When the UUP were the largest Unionist party the DUP could do little more than be obstructive. Now they have the power and the responsibility and there is nowhere to hide if they don't deliver. A similar argument applies to Sinn Fein.
It is going to be interesting. Peter Hain as NI Secretary (seen as a safe pair of hands) does suggest Tony is going to take an interest and want someone reliable on the spot to see things don't get messed up.
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alva
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Republic of Flanders
Sep 2001
time: 06:19
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Originally posted by Whoha
Ok html people, why the gobs of space here?
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You need to delete all the white space (quote this post to see what I mean and see the difference with yours)
| UK NATIONAL RESULTS: IN DETAIL |
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| Party | Seats | Gain | Loss | Net | Votes | % | +/- |
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| Labour | 354 | 0 | 47 | -47 | 9,529,319 | 36.2 | -5.8 | | Conservative | 197 | 36 | 3 | +33 | 8,737,150 | 33.2 | +0.5 | | Lib Dem | 62 | 16 | 5 | +11 | 5,970,540 | 22.7 | +3.8 | | SNP | 6 | 2 | 0 | +2 | 412,267 | 1.6 | -0.2 | | Plaid Cymru | 3 | 0 | 1 | -1 | 174,838 | 0.7 | -0.1 | | Respect | 1 | 1 | 0 | +1 | 68,065 | 0.3 | +0.3 | | Ind Kid Hosp | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 18,739 | 0.1 | 0.0 | | UKIP | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 605,282 | 2.3 | +0.8 | | Green | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 257,758 | 1.0 | +0.3 | | BNP | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 191,573 | 0.7 | +0.5 | | Scottish Soc | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 43,514 | 0.2 | -0.1 | | Scottish Grn | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 25,760 | 0.1 | +0.1 | | Liberal | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 19,068 | 0.1 | 0.0 | | Others | 1 | 1 | 0 | +1 | 234,006 | 0.6 | | | Turnout | 26,327,419 | 61.3 | +2.2 | | After625 of 646 seats declared |
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by Winston
Um, Shi wasn't talking about British party leaders, but the three main leaders behind the Iraq war; Bush, Howard and Blair all got re-elected. |
Ahh, sorry, I thought he meant Howard as in Michael Howard, the leader of the British opposition, who was also in favour of the war, and was refering to the fact that Howard and Blair both won their seats.
Since this is a British election thread, Howard would normally refer to Michael, as he is something of a prominent figure here.
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Zulu Elephant
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Originally posted by Provost Harrison
It looks to me that the Lib Dems wouldn't need that much a larger proportion of the vote before they start taking quite hefty numbers of seats...same for the Tories... |
I picture isnt quite as simple as that. Lib Dem support is scattered throughout the country and not concentrated enough to allow them to win a lot of seats without a MASSIVE swing.
Plus a lot of the Lib Dems extra votes this time came from Labour supporters pissed off about the war and tuition fees - this will fade over time, especially once Gordon Brown replaces Blair.
Zulu Elephant prediction 2009: Labour regains a lot of its support that it lost to the Lib Dems in 2005 and is returned with an increased majority.
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CerberusIV
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The system for deciding constituency boundaries in the UK doesn't really take much notice of which way people vote. Basically the boundary commission reviews the boundaries every few years. The criteria are mainly that all parliamentary constituencies have about the same number of voters (around 85,000), that they don't cross local government boundaries if possible and that they represent "communities of interest" - basically the main shopping and employment centres in an area.
After draft proposals are drawn up the local party organisations, amongst others, comment and ask for changes they think will favour them. Sometimes they get those changes, sometimes they don't. The Secretary of State decides whether to implement the final recommendations and usually does so - if he makes obviously biased changes he risks being dragged off to the High Court for a judicial review of his decision.
So there isn't much political bias. Part of the reason Tories aren't doing well because most seats are really between 2 of the 3 main parties (3 way marginals get a lot of attention precisely because they are quite rare) and the Lib Dems and Labour won a lot of seats where the Tories came second.
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07-05-2005 16:59
), which i've found counts for a lot when dealing with Irish folk, especialy in the south - celtic brotherhood and all that, so yes it seems a sensible post for getting a positive result from the westminster side of the equation.
Because people really want corporal punishment back.
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