06-05-2005 05:46									#151
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Cons fail in their attempt to gain N Portsmouth. 40,9% vs 37,8%. Too bad, so sad: It's not the only closely contested race they've lost. They're running out of targets.

	06-05-2005 05:52									#152
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by VJ Cons fail in their attempt to gain N Portsmouth. 40,9% vs 37,8%. Too bad, so sad: It's not the only closely contested race they've lost. They're running out of targets.

Not quite the only one they've lost. Cheadle and Southport were both targets.

	06-05-2005 05:55									#153
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

W00t! Massive Lib Dem gain in Hornsey & Wood Green with over a 14% swing from Labour. Dunbarton East gained too, though half expected

	06-05-2005 06:04									#154
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Having conservatives come in to defend Tony Blah really says a lot of about what is wrong with him.

	06-05-2005 06:04									#155
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

9% swing to Nick Griffin (leader of the BNP) but still loses badly

What a bastard

	06-05-2005 06:05									#156
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Having conservatives come in to defend Tony Blah really says a lot of about what is wrong with him.

who? which conservatives have come in to defend him?

	06-05-2005 06:07									#157
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

yanqees I think

	06-05-2005 06:09									#158
	Full PM-box? Change here!

My constituency is still labour

This is so wrong.

My bloodpressure can't take this, I'm going to sleep. Wake me up when we go to war again or he wants some more money.

EDIT: 497 people voted the same as me. Out of over 31 000. Am I the crazy one?

	06-05-2005 06:12									#160
	Put an end to popups!

Labour seems to be doing well in some of it's other marginals, Peter Snow has projected a Labour majority of 76. It appears as though Tony Blair might get through this election without that much of a black eye after all.

	06-05-2005 06:13									#161
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Verres: Being in a minority doesn't make you crazy. Sucking at tactical voting might make you stupid, but don't worry about it anymore this evening. You have time to think about it tomorrow.

quote: It appears as though Tony Blair might get through this election without that much of a black eye after all.

But... but... Blair's party only gets 37% of the vote! These elections are rigged, I tell you! Rigged!

	06-05-2005 06:14									#162
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Thats the problem - i actually have beliefs worth sticking by. Tactical voting is bollocks.

	06-05-2005 06:15									#163
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

see what I mean? Who likes Tony blah? US Bushites.

	06-05-2005 06:16									#164
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Cant blame them. I'd like a puppy too so long as he didnt mess the furniture.

	06-05-2005 06:19									#165
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

"But... but... Blair's party only gets 37% of the vote! These elections are rigged, I tell you! Rigged! "

That is kind of a problem that nearly 2/3 of the country doesn't want him to be PM, but he is PM with a very good sized majority anyway.

	06-05-2005 06:23									#166
	Support Apolyton

It's because of the "winner-takes-all" system... two opposition parties in mall-sized districts = governing party can get > (1/2) seats with less than 40% of the total vote. Shame, shame. Luckily we don't have systems like that in Finland.

	06-05-2005 06:24									#167
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi "But... but... Blair's party only gets 37% of the vote! These elections are rigged, I tell you! Rigged! " That is kind of a problem that nearly 2/3 of the country doesn't want him to be PM, but he is PM with a very good sized majority anyway.

When we have a leader who got fewer votes than his opposition, I'll admit our system sucks. Until then, at least it's better than the US.

	06-05-2005 06:25									#168
	Got spare money?

His opposition is technically every other party, not just 'The Opposition'. So the system already sucks like a professional porn star.

	06-05-2005 06:27									#169
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Or rather, when we have a leader who's party did not get the most votes in an election. 37% may not be a majority, but it's more than anyone else got.

	06-05-2005 06:31									#170
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Verres Tactical voting is bollocks.

And immoral, I saw the Daily Mail on Tuesday, with it's 'How to vote tactically' guide. Scumbags!

	06-05-2005 06:39									#171
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Why on Earth is it immoral?

	06-05-2005 06:42									#172
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Your morals tell you to vote for a party because you agree with them.

The Mail tells you to go against that and vote for one more likely to win.

Going against morals=immoral.

	06-05-2005 06:44									#173
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: see what I mean? Who likes Tony blah? US Bushites.

He's a strong leader. Miles ahead of anything the Tories have, I'm sad to say.

	06-05-2005 06:51									#174
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Your morals tell you to vote for a party because you agree with them. The Mail tells you to go against that and vote for one more likely to win. Going against morals=immoral.

That utter bollocks.

If I stood in your constituency and agreed to do EXACTLY what you wanted me to do in EVERY situation or vote, would that mean that you were morally obliged to vote for me? What if you knew that your vote would ultimately swing your contituency from a lunatic fascist to a some moderate.

Wouldn't your morals compell you to vote to elect the moderate, rather than the fascist?


Presuming that you would vote for the moderate - from there on, it's just a matter of degrees

	06-05-2005 06:52									#175
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi That is kind of a problem that nearly 2/3 of the country doesn't want him to be PM, but he is PM with a very good sized majority anyway.

You mean as opposed to the US system where well below than 50% usually vote and the Pres gets elected to the most pwoerful office in the world on something less than 25% of the vote?

	06-05-2005 06:54									#176
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant Wouldn't your morals compell you to vote to elect the moderate, rather than the fascist?

No. I'd vote for the party who I believed in. Period.

EDIT: misread your post!

	06-05-2005 07:04									#177
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever No. I'd vote for the party who I believed in. Period. EDIT: misread your post!

Well, I'm stunned at that. Personally I would alway take a broader view and consider the big picture. However it is your perogative to vote for whoever you like.

I certainly don't think that gives you the right to declare it "immoral" to disagree with you though.

	06-05-2005 07:11									#178
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by Zulu Elephant I certainly don't think that gives you the right to declare it "immoral" to disagree with you though.

"naughty" then?

	06-05-2005 07:13									#179
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by reds4ever "naughty" then?

lol

	06-05-2005 07:47									#180
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Things are starting to get wrapped up now... only few seats, and labour has an absolute majority.

They've lost about 20 seats, probably lose ~30 total. Cons gain ~20 and LD's gain ~10.