18-05-2005 04:32									#271
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I still can't believe it.

	18-05-2005 04:35									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Really? They have more power now than they are liable to receive in an election. Jack has control of Finance. Pretty good incentive.

You may be right, but they don't have the numbers for a formal coalition, and even formal coalitions can be unstable. If the government last for another year, there's a good chance that Martin will again pander to the Conservatives first and ignore the NDP.

	18-05-2005 04:40									#273
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Did you keep up the fight on the 1812 thread until it got deleted, NYE? I woke up for 10 minutes around 2 am and saw you telling somebody that they "wouldn't know history if it bit them on the ass".

That was about where it petered out before I left for the night. My comment was a bit more coloured than that, and may have contributed to the deletion.

	18-05-2005 04:47									#274
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Most political observers seem to feel that the Liberals are going to squeak this one out. They might not even have to go to the Speaker... Checking the CBC's "comments" page on this one seems to indicate that many of your fellow Albertans oppose the very idea of an MP switching sides. People don't vote for ****ing parties; they vote for individual candidates. Maybe they're just pissed off and will get over it.

I agree people are putting too much on loyalty to party. What really shocks is that she crossed to what is viewed as the source of the corruption. To say some people are irate would be to say a hurricane is a breeze.

quote: The Liberals will also probably get another member from Labrador on May 24...

That'll leave them one vote short when Kilgour and Cadman decide to agree that it is time for an election.

	18-05-2005 04:48									#275
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Wezil Really? They have more power now than they are liable to receive in an election. Jack has control of Finance. Pretty good incentive. You may be right, but they don't have the numbers for a formal coalition, and even formal coalitions can be unstable. If the government last for another year, there's a good chance that Martin will again pander to the Conservatives first and ignore the NDP.

More than a chance. The NDP simply cannot deliver a majority that can be counted on. Three days last week demonstrated that.

	18-05-2005 04:50									#276
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Moot point. Martin's promised an election when Gomery's done.

	18-05-2005 04:52									#277
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Does Gomery have a deadline that mandates he be done this year though? I've heard that he could go into next year, but I've seen a lot of bad reporting the last week.

	18-05-2005 05:01									#278
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I was under the impression that he'd probably be done by the end of this year, beginning of next.

I suppose he could keep going after that, but it seems like an adequate timeframe.

	18-05-2005 05:22									#279
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wow

If Stronach wanted to REALLY show her convictions, she should have voted against the budget and then immediately upon the election call, THEN defected and faced the electorate after attempting to get the Liberal nomination.

It seems that her "principles" could have been better met by deciding to sit as an independent. Joinin ghr Liberals looks like a grab for influence and quite frankly another example of the Liberals bribing people to retain power

	18-05-2005 06:05									#280
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Why? Her electors sent her to Ottawa to represent them. The parties excercise all together too much power over our representatives, and then we gasp in disbelief when an MP excercises the one thing they have sole power over.

That being said, I think she is an opportunist who is sorely mistaken on what her future holds. She most likely has designs on the big chair in the PMO. That is finished now. She wouldn't be elected leader of a bottle drive, let alone the Liberal Party of Canada.

	18-05-2005 06:11									#281
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I have to scratch my head at something Deb Grey said today. Harper has been approached but has rebuffed Liberals who might want to cross the floor. Apparently, he doesn't believe in it.

What kind of democracy would we have if our MPs were slaves to party and couldn't bolt if the situation called for it?

My MP is my representative in Ottawa, he or she should not be a particular party's representative to me.

	18-05-2005 06:15									#282
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Also, I have to wonder... If the Conservatives are such a bad solution for Canada, why are scraps that fall off the Conservative table on the front bench of the Liberal government? What? There are no qualified Liberals?

I'd be really pissed if I were a Liberal back bencher who put in the time on committees and did everything required of me, but Brisson and Stronach are in my ****ing seat!

	18-05-2005 07:34									#284
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I have no words what she did here.

NYE, these are your pals here stabbing us in the back, your portion of the Conservative party.

	18-05-2005 07:39									#285
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quote: I have to scratch my head at something Deb Grey said today. Harper has been approached but has rebuffed Liberals who might want to cross the floor. Apparently, he doesn't believe in it.

Don't be a fool Harper.

Let the 30 or 40 Liberals cross.

	18-05-2005 07:39									#286
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And they throw stones at the Tories for stooping to cooperation with the duly elected representatives of most of the people of Quebec.

Shht! Never mind a founder of the Bloc in the Liberal caucus. He's just misunderstood.

	18-05-2005 07:40									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Your original words were closer to your soul.

	18-05-2005 07:44									#288
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither What kind of democracy would we have if our MPs were slaves to party and couldn't bolt if the situation called for it?

On where you could be sure of what policies you were voting for.

	18-05-2005 07:49									#289
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I have no words what she did here. NYE, these are your pals here stabbing us in the back, your portion of the Conservative party.

Take a pill, Ben.

This is an opportunist looking for power. She has decided she has a better chance as a Liberal. She has very poor judgement.

Your guys had their hands in the total obliteration of the party not too long ago, so don't lecture me about who is a liability, son.

Incidently, I'm not convinced this will be bad for the Conservatives come election day.

How can people believe a person who says she could never bring herself to vote with the seperatists to bring down the government when she did precisely that just last week.

A journalist from Montreal commented that she really has no clue about the politics of Quebec. To be fair to her, not many outside of Quebec have much of a clue either.

	18-05-2005 07:54									#290
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara On where you could be sure of what policies you were voting for.

I'm not sure what you are in favour of. Iron clad party discipline, or parliamentary democracy?

	18-05-2005 07:56									#291
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quote: Your original words were closer to your soul.

Indeed they were, eh?

	18-05-2005 07:57									#292
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I missed them.

	18-05-2005 08:00									#293
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quote: This is an opportunist looking for power. She has decided she has a better chance as a Liberal. She has very poor judgement.

So she doesn't support you then?

Good, that's what I was after.

	18-05-2005 08:04									#294
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara On where you could be sure of what policies you were voting for.

Yeah, which is why I really feel for all the people who voted for Stronach in her riding. They voted for a Conservative... it was their vote that got her where she is today - while now they have someone who is completely different and represents very different ideals. Thats undemocratic.

But I'm all for people switching parties if they want to. Although I think they should only be allowed to switch once an election is called to let the people decide if they approve of the switch... and certainly not two days before one of the most important House votes in recent Canadian history. Thats essentially stealing from the people who voted for her.

This government had better fall now. If only to see Stronach booted out of her riding and cabinet position. What a crook.

And I'd say the same thing no matter which parties were involved. Honest

	18-05-2005 08:06									#295
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my bad

	18-05-2005 08:07									#296
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi So she doesn't support you then? Good, that's what I was after.

No. I am not receiving a cheque from her.

	18-05-2005 08:13									#297
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Yeah, which is why I really feel for all the people who voted for Stronach in her riding. They voted for a Conservative... it was their vote that got her where she is today - while now they have someone who is completely different and represents very different ideals. Thats undemocratic. But I'm all for people switching parties if they want to. Although I think they should only be allowed to switch once an election is called to let the people decide if they approve of the switch... and certainly not two days before one of the most important House votes in recent Canadian history. Thats essentially stealing from the people who voted for her. This government had better fall now. If only to see Stronach booted out of her riding and cabinet position. What a crook. And I'd say the same thing no matter which parties were involved. Honest

And what if 75% of her constituents actually want the budget passed? Should they wait for her to switch during an election and another year for the same provisions in a budget?

You have to take some time and learn that voters do not fire and forget in a parliamentary democracy. We elect people, not parties, to represent us. We count on the people to make the governments and parties work.

The biggest problem Canada has had in the last 50 years has been the creeping power of the parties over the people that we elect to represent us.

	18-05-2005 08:20									#298
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In other news...

The Monarch has arrived in Queen City while the people of British Columbia are deciding whether a single transferable ballot should be adopted.

Only in Canada?

	18-05-2005 08:23									#299
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that's a problem here also

particularly with the republicans

Jon Miller

	18-05-2005 08:56									#300
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The Libelars have not yet reached Republican status.

That being said, the Libelar Party is clearly a house of lepers. They deserve all of the opprobrium that can be dumped on them.