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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
She barely won her seat last election, 'star candidate' or not. I cannot say that she will earn the majority support in Newmarket Aurora when she had to fight so hard last time just to win. |
Yes, it was a narrow victory, but she won a seat in an area that traditionally elected Liberal MPs. Now that she is a Liberal, it will be easier for her to win the next vote.
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Fve Crathva
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Originally posted by notyoueither
The legislature drew a line in the sand and called it 60%. Now they have the awkward situation of less than 43% of voters supporting FPTP, but less than 60% supporting change. Sounds very BC. |
Yup. As BC as the 97.5% of seats won by the Liberals last time, that the electoral reform was supposed to avoid. I'm glad the referendum failed, and I hope they don't push BC-STV through, but I also hope they try again soon with a better system.
As for federal politics, I have to point out that the Tories are already airing dishonest ads attacking the Liberals ("Paul Martin will do anything to hold on to power"). If I voted for parties, that would lose them my vote right there. They have done nothing lately but try to bring down the government, and complain about the Liberals ignoring their stupid attempt at fooling everybody into thinking that vote a while ago was a confidence vote. I find their tactics baffling and shrill.
SP
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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Once again, the Conservatives snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Way to go Harper!
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Fve Crathva
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Originally posted by notyoueither
Prey tell what they are supposed to do when they have decided it is time to go to the polls, but the government does everything but allow a vote that could lead to an election.
Martin hasn't been doing extreme things to hold onto power? |
The most extreme thing he's done was bribe whatshername to cross the floor. That was a dirty, slimy trick. Other than that, the Liberals have been pretty much rosy when it comes to defending their government--because they didn't have anything solid to defend against. I find their internal politicking to be less antagonising than the bullshit the Tories are advertising about Paul Martin grasping for power as if he was Emperor Palpatine.
Personally, I think the government is right to hold off on an election until after Gomery says his piece. It seems kind of stupid to have an election where the primary issue is a corruption scandal, before the corruption scandal has been investigated fully. It's kind of like putting a person to death before they've been sentenced with the death penalty. I'm sure it's exactly what the Tories want. I think that starting the campaign at all, let alone with scummy, disingenuous attack ads, while the government is still in session is obnoxious and appalling.
In any case, it's really not up to the opposition to decide when to go to the polls. They're within their rights to try for a vote of non-confidence if they feel it's appropriate, but they can't just start shrieking abuse when decades-old parliamentary procedure inconveniences them and fails to give them an unfair advantage. They made a stupid mistake with their fake confidence vote, and for some reason they've latched onto it and started shrilly proclaiming that the government has ignored a vote of non-confidence. I say, suck it up, Harper, you failed to incite an election illegitimately, and now you've failed to convince the House on a real confidence issue. Can we get on with governing the country until an election can be called on the rest of Canada's timetable?
SP
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embalmer42
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The Great State Of Insanity
Jan 2000
time: 05:19
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But as I understand it Gomery is not going to be allowed to "name names" (which is what Paul was implying when he told everyone they should wait for the election until Gomery released his report). Besides - didn't Paul call the last election while Gomery was doing his thing? It didn't seem so all fire important to wait then
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Fve Crathva
The most extreme thing he's done was bribe whatshername to cross the floor. That was a dirty, slimy trick.
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It's not really a trick. It's standard politics everywhere. People routinely get cabinet position in exchange for their support or loyalty to a leader. Cabinet positions are also handed out simply because a leader wants to have regional represenation in a cabinet.
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embalmer42
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The Great State Of Insanity
Jan 2000
time: 05:19
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Originally posted by Tingkai
Yes, it was a narrow victory, but she won a seat in an area that traditionally elected Liberal MPs. Now that she is a Liberal, it will be easier for her to win the next vote. |
Perhaps that was one of the things that helped convinced her to cross the floor (of course, the cabinet post didn't hurt either - after all, if you're going to be a whore you might as well get as much as you can while you can).
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St Leo
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Member of the Apolyton Social Democratic Party
Jul 2005
time: 00:19
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Good for Canada, Layton declares
Commons backs `first NDP budget'
Party hints it has more on wish list
BRUCE CAMPION-SMITH
OTTAWA BUREAU
OTTAWA—New Democrats cheered a "banner day" for their party but warned that their support of the minority Liberals could be measured in weeks.
New Democrat MPs were beaming as the House of Commons gave first approval to a budget that contains billions of dollars in new spending they demanded of the Liberals in return for their votes in last night's showdown.
"It's the first NDP budget bill ever to be adopted by the House of Commons ... so we're pleased about that," party leader Jack Layton said after his 19-member caucus stood with the Liberals to help ensure the budget's passage.
"I think Canadians will now get some results that they've been waiting for for a long time," he said.
Layton, labelled the most trusted of the leaders in a recent Star poll, enjoyed congratulations from fellow New Democrats as they stood to show their support of the budget.
Layton struck an extraordinary budget deal with the Liberals late last month to add $4.6 billion in new spending over the next two years on housing, foreign aid, cities and education, as well as a delay in tax cuts for major corporations.
In return, the NDP pledged not to vote against the government until after the budget receives royal assent. The Liberals hope that will happen before the House rises for the summer on June 23.
But once the budget passes, the NDP warns all bets are off.
"We have to make sure the budget gets through all final stages," said Peter Stoffer (Sackville-Eastern Shore). After that, it's a "new ballgame."
New Democrats are dropping hints they're ready with a wish list of more demands if the Liberals hope to court their continuing support.
"This decision to vote for the Liberals only lasts until the budget bills are through. Then we'll look at things all over again," Judy Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North) said last night.
She rhymed off electoral reform, protecting pensions and tapping the employment insurance surplus for job creation and worker training as among NDP priorities.
She also warned that with the possibility of more confidence votes in the weeks ahead, it's not a given the budget will survive.
Layton knows he's a walking a fine line by propping up the Liberals. "We've always had concerns with the government and the way they do business," he said, but added that in the end the NDP succeeded in getting a budget "that really addressed people's needs." |
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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quote:
Originally posted by St Leo
We need a proper conservative party that will take on a firm
anti-recycling stance. |
Yes, we need political parties that get their priorities straight. Global warming, pollution and the destruction of the environment are far more important than whether two men can be legally married.
We're living on borrowed time right now. We need politicians who have the guts to address the real problems facing us.
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