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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
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Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
Yeah, which is why I really feel for all the people who voted for Stronach in her riding. They voted for a Conservative... it was their vote that got her where she is today - while now they have someone who is completely different and represents very different ideals. Thats undemocratic.
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The people I know in Aurora said they voted for her because of what her family has done for the community. Along with having the company based there, the Stronach donate a lot of money to the community. She wasn't elected just because she was a conservative.
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Shi Huangdi
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Apr 1999
time: 00:19
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Hmm, it seems as though one of the independent MPs is lleaning towards toppling the government, the one that is the Ex-Liberal. Martin might not be out of the woods yet it seems.
What do you guys think the chance are if there is an election that Stronach could be defeated by a Conservative in her riding?
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...vote050518.html
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OTTAWA - One of the two Independent MPs whose decision will decide the fate of Paul Martin's Liberals says he's leaning toward defeating the government in a budget vote Thursday evening.
David Kilgour, a former Liberal from Alberta who left the party in mid-April over the sponsorship scandal, made the comment during an interview with CBC News Wednesday morning.
"At some point, you say to yourself, 'Does the government have any competence? Does it have any sense of what the correct thing is for the correct reasons?'
"And finally, when you get enough reasons like this, you say, 'Mr. Martin isn't a serious person.'"
Kilgour said he was horrified by Martin's decision to appoint former Conservative MP Belinda Stronach to cabinet Tuesday.
He said that move sends the wrong message about politicians and what they represent.
(On a historical note, Kilgour has also switched parties. He was expelled from Brian Mulroney's Conservatives in 1990 after 11 years as a member of Parliament, partly because he opposed the GST. He became a Liberal three months later. )
In the interview Wednesday, he said he is also still very disillusioned by recent testimony at the Gomery inquiry suggesting that Liberals benefited from financial wrongdoing as the sponsorship program was delivered in Quebec after the 1995 sovereignty referendum.
Finally, he's upset about the aftermath of Martin's decision to send troops to Darfur, something he fought for. When the Sudanese government balked at allowing non-African troops into the country, Kilgour said, the Canadian government backed down.
Nonetheless, the MP for Edmonton-Mill Woods-Beaumont said he hasn't made a final decision on whether to support the Liberal-NDP side or the Conservative-Bloc Québécois side in a confidence motion vote Thursday evening.
MPs will vote on a government amendment to cancel planned corporate tax cuts and increase social program spending under the terms of a $4.6-billion deal the Liberals struck with the NDP to keep the minority government alive.
Martin's side needs to attract the vote of either Kilgour or Independent MP Chuck Cadman in order to win the vote and stay in power.
Kilgour said he's keeping an open mind as he weighs both sides of a number of issues before coming to a final decision on the budget amendment vote.
For one thing, he said, Senator Romeo Dallaire has been trying to convince him to support the Liberal government on the grounds that the Sudanese people can benefit from the support Canada has promised so far.
Dallaire is a respected former general in the Canadian armed forces who has observed genocide and its aftermath first-hand in Rwanda.
The United Nations has warned that Sudan's Darfur region is in the midst of a humanitarian crisis because of violent attacks by Arab militiamen linked to Sudan's government, and resulting starvation and disease. |
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Aug 2001
time: 22:19
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Busted!?
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...?hub=TopStories
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Liberals offered job to sway vote: Tory alleges
CTV.ca News Staff
Less than 24 hours before the hotly-contested federal budget test, a Conservative MP says he's been offered plum patronage posts in exchange for sitting out the vote.
At a hastily-convened scrum on Parliament Hill Wednesday evening, British Columbia MP Gurmant Grewal said he's been made such offers before, but this time is different.
"Last time when I was made an offer, I didn't have any evidence," he said, insisting that this time he has an audio recording of the offer from Liberal Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh and the prime minister's chief of staff, Tim Murphy.
"I was approached early this week by Ujjal Dosanjh and asked to abstain or vote with the government on the budget vote,'' Grewal explained.
"In exchange, I was given an understanding that I would be rewarded in some fashion.''
The offer was made not only to him, Grewal added, but also to his wife Nina Grewal, who is also a Conservative MP.
Three or four other MPs were said to be the target of similar negotiations, Grewal added.
"At no time did I have any intention of accepting these offers," he said. "I entered these discussions to determine the level to which the Liberal party and Paul Martin were willing to sink to save their government."
Despite the three-time MP's insistence, reaction from the Liberals was swift and unequivocal.
"This is not what happened,'' Martin's director of communications Scott Reid told The Canadian Press.
"(Grewal) asked for a post and was told no.''
Grewal's allegation comes the day after Ontario MP Belinda Stronach left the Conservative benches to sit with the Liberals.
Both Stronach and the Liberals have since denied suggestions she, or any other MPs, are being lured across the floor with promises patronage appointments.
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Mike Duffy just played a tape. I just caught the end of the segment.
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St Leo
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Member of the Apolyton Social Democratic Party
Jul 2005
time: 00:19
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Harper scolding may have pushed Stronach to act
CTV.ca News Staff
More details are emerging this morning about the events leading up to Belinda Stronach's dramatic jump from the Conservatives to the Liberals -- a decision she said was very, very difficult.
In what was likely the best kept secret in Ottawa, Stronach, now the Minister of Human Resources, defected to the Liberal Party yesterday, just days ahead of a crucial vote that could bring down the government.
In an interview with CTV's Canada AM today, Stronach reiterated her reason for leaving.
"I do not believe it is right to line up with the Bloc Quebecois, who have a separatist agenda, to bring down the government to force an election," she said.
"I don't believe that's in our national interests and it compromises national unity."
While she is eager to talk about keeping the country together, a report in The Globe and Mail Wednesday suggests her relationship with Conservative Leader Stephen Harper caused an irreversible rift.
A few weeks ago, Stronach was summoned by Harper to his Rockcliffe mansion over comments she had made to The Globe warning against defeating the budget, which would kill money for infrastructure to her Ontario riding of Newmarket-Aurora.
A Tory insider told the newspaper that Stronach was reportedly told she was being frozen out of appearances in election ads.
A report in the Toronto Star suggests the meeting between the two ended in a shouting match, with Harper telling her she would never be the leader of the party.
Stronach told CTV that shouting is not her style. But she said she had begun feeling uncomfortable with the direction the party was going, in terms of urban issues, and social issues, such as a youth wing.
"I respect the fact he is the leader, and he has the right to lead the party. But I'm going to express when I have some concerns about some of the fundamental issues affecting the nation," she said.
She said she was so upset that she considered leaving politics altogether. When she discussed her concerns with former Ontario Liberal premier David Peterson at a black-tie dinner last Thursday, he suggested there may be another way she could serve.
"It was a very, very difficult decision to leave the party.
"I was involved in putting the two parties together, but I didn't get involved in putting the two parties together so we could break up the country," she said, referring to the merger between the Tories and the Canadian Alliance.
The decision to leave the Conservatives has caused some hurt feelings. Reaction in her riding of Newmarket-Aurora was mixed, but Stronach defended her move.
"When I campaigned I said I would be a strong voice for Newmarket-Aurora and that I would always stand up for what I believe is in the best interests of Canada," Stronach said. |
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:19
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Politicians are making political deals? How scandalous! Stop the presses!
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