08-05-2005 11:52									#31
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You don't have an industrial base behind you..... well nothing like what we have today, I think a howitzer would be alot harder.

Plus as said, no google.

	08-05-2005 11:53									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen I don't need gunpowder, black powder is way easier to make.

Black powder is the same as gunpowder.

quote: Originally posted by Vesayen Mix them all together using water(so its less likley to blow up in my face), let it dry.

It doesn't blow up, just burns quickly.

quote: Originally posted by Vesayen Bronze is not the ideal(sic-crappy) material for a cannon, but it will do. Build a forge, melt down copper and tin-both of which are relativley to easy find... melt it down. Make a clay mold..... metal working, is easy.

How do you build the forge?

	08-05-2005 11:54									#33
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quote: I think massive explosions from black powder mixed with improved agricultural techniques would be all I would need to get the local indian tribes behind me.

You have such ambitions. I'd trade my iPod for women.

	08-05-2005 11:56									#34
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro Of course

Danke.


You start tomorrow.

	08-05-2005 11:56									#35
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"Bigum Chief needs batteries, Cherry-Assed Loud Mouth!"

	08-05-2005 12:02									#36
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quote: Black powder is the same as gunpowder.

No it isnt, it substitutes out the charchaol for some chemical compound I don't know how to make.

quote: It doesn't blow up, just burns quickly.

Unless you confine it to a small space and it ignites, then you get the effect of an explosion .

quote: How do you build the forge?

Really for the temperatures needed to make bronze, you don't need anything fancy.... a really low level clay or even easier, sand forge will work.

Make clay bricks. Make a base of clay bricks and 4 walls a ceiling. Have a small circular opening on the top to let out the smoke and let in oxygen, but keep the heat inside. There are several different designs you can use for the inside of it. Use that to make the tools. You can use the forge to melt the bronze and channel it into the mold.

Really, if you build a bronze cannon it would proboably be best to do it in ONE solid piece, since it is destined to explode anyway.

Dig out a hole in the sand in the shape of the cannon barrel and line it with clay. Use that as a mold.

For fuel, produce charchaol which involves taking wood and spreading it. Light the wood on fire then carefully tend the ashes as they smoke to get the desired effect. You can just use wood, but smelting works better with higher temperatures, which means higher quality fuel.


Despite the fact I *KNOW* how to do it, I am confident many apolytonites could figure it out-the only hard part is knowing how to find the components for black powder.

	08-05-2005 12:04									#37
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I'm pretty sure that bronze-age forging technology was applicable in 100AD, UR.

	08-05-2005 12:07									#38
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I'm stuck in New York, I can't go ask some Roman blacksmith to do it for me lol. I don't the Rohanke or Iriquoi(sp?) would be much help in that department.

People overestimate how easy metal working is. You want to make steel or one of the million of complex metals we have today? That isn't as easy..... working with bronze or copper or tin, really is not particularly complicated.

	08-05-2005 12:10									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen No it isnt, it substitutes out the charchaol for some chemical compound I don't know how to make.

http://www.hackman-adams.com/guns/aboutgunpder.htm

The difference is that the powder used in guns changed and thus, after gunpowder changed to a reduced smoke type, the original gunpowder was renamed to blackpowder to avoid confusion.

	08-05-2005 13:03									#40
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get hella horses and roll everyone over.

	08-05-2005 13:11									#41
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Great.

That blows being the only white guy here.

What would my name be?

	08-05-2005 13:13									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Great. That blows being the only white guy here. What would my name be?

Oh-be-one-left-out

	08-05-2005 14:04									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen I'm in a dorm room, I have all the technical information I need between me and the guy across the hall, to build a radio from components of nature.

And if it was the year 1600 you might just be able to build a radio given this knowledge.

	08-05-2005 14:18									#44
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quote: Originally posted by VJ Ok smart guy Vesayen: As a typical Apolyton user, would you like to share with us the exact method of refining gunpowder, the material fundamentally required for the use of cannons (without the help of almighty Google, which you can't really use if you're stuck in the year 100)?

Charcoal is easy to make. Burn wood in an earthen mound

Sulphur can be found in deposits along riversides, and was well known to the ancients

Potassium nitrate can be made from nitre-bearing earth (any fertile soil will do). Pour boiling water through the dirt, strained through a charcoal/cloth filter. Let cool, then decant the liquid, reboil, then add alcohol. The white crystals which form are potassium nitrate. Scoop them out and dry them. They're ready for use.

Mix the above ingredients in 10:15:75 ratio. Grind with a mortar and pestle (best to add water or alcohol then mix the sludge, then dry for safety's sake).

Bronze is a decent material to use for early cannons. Bronze-working techniques were well-known in much of the ancient world. The centre-bore technique driven by either animal or waterwheel would probably be a useful innovation.

	08-05-2005 14:19									#45
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	08-05-2005 14:21									#46
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tell me im interested, how do you make a radio made out of natural components (besides lighting a fire and making smoke signals - THAT DOESNT COUNT !!!!!)

	08-05-2005 14:21									#47
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quote: find a source of saltpeter(pottasium nitrate)

See above. Potassium nitrate is not readily available in pure form. Don't be silly.

	08-05-2005 14:21									#48
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Wouldn't matter... anyone transported back would be dead in a year or so because of a disease that the modern world has wiped out therefore preventing you from building up an immunity to it.

	08-05-2005 14:25									#49
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Very few of those, Imran. If anything, we have immunity to a lot more diseases than ancient peoples did. The ones I can think of that modern populations have never been exposed to:

Smallpox would be a problem for the younger generation, but can be prevented by exposure to cowpox.

Cholera and diptheria can be avoided by boiling water

The black death only appears a few hundred years later than this. If anything, I'd be a saviour for telling people it was carried by the fleas of rats.

	08-05-2005 14:26									#50
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I have my tuberculosis shots, my shots for the childhood diseases, shots for meningitis and hep B, polio etc.

Maybe if you come back in 500 years enough of these will be ancient history that vaccination is no longer routine. Don't know.

	08-05-2005 14:30									#51
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Diptheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough, polio.

Medieval life was short, nasty and brutish.

	08-05-2005 14:34									#52
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Ah. Actually, I forgot that diphtheria is commonly vaccinated for as well.

Scarlet fever is not typically seen in adults, and is rarely fatal if the patient is not further weakened by other health issues.

	08-05-2005 14:35									#53
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whooping cough is covered for in childhood immunisations.

	08-05-2005 14:36									#54
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If anything you'd be likely to kill a few million with your arrival...



Modern man is much tougher when it comes to disease than were any of his forebears.

	08-05-2005 14:36									#55
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Tetanus is a nasty one that can't ever be fully vaccinated against.

	08-05-2005 14:37									#56
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse If anything you'd be likely to kill a few million with your arrival...

Yes

	08-05-2005 14:38									#57
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Neither can diphtheria, but some general knowledge of hygiene would go a long way. Likely you could live a lot longer than the average person.

	08-05-2005 14:40									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia tell me im interested, how do you make a radio made out of natural components (besides lighting a fire and making smoke signals - THAT DOESNT COUNT !!!!!)

He's being ridiculous. Nobody in the world could build a radio in the year 100 AD within the space of a single human lifetime.

	08-05-2005 14:41									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: I think massive explosions from black powder mixed with improved agricultural techniques would be all I would need to get the local indian tribes behind me. You have such ambitions. I'd trade my iPod for women.

They'd kill you when your iPod went dead in twelve hours. My Zen would give me double that amount of time to make my escape.

	08-05-2005 14:58									#60
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@ KH


I already know the language spoken at this time at 100 AD. however, I'd like to know latin as well.
I am in a very precarious situation - my knowledge of chemistry is the only thing I've got going for me. well that, and the fact that I've got a rather large medical book, a tool set, and a dagger with me. I've also got some coins from my coin collection - but I doubt they are worth anything - plenty of pretty rubbish to sell to the natives, though - old calling cards, etc.

at 100AD, the situation in judea is ****ed. The only way is to go to Rome, and make a name for myself. ( and then kill a lot of people through desease )