09-05-2005 02:40									#121
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The accurate way to do it would be via a waterbath to achieve the right temperature (or close to). As for distillation, well, that is going to be hard...you're not going to be able to have a fancy waterjacket but I am sure there could be a way to improvise...

	09-05-2005 02:41									#122
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When I did it I went by trial and error until I was just getting the alcohol to boil out.

	09-05-2005 02:42									#123
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I know that distillation isn't something complex - I've done it too many times myself in the lab . I just couldn't see you do it in the New World in the wild. WRT old world, I still see some problems - but that it manageable, true.

	09-05-2005 03:18									#124
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Much more interesting would be what someone like Lonestar (in the middle of a carrier battle group or something like that) could do.

	09-05-2005 03:19									#125
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Not much, witha 50 foot section of a carrier rapidly sinking beneath him...

	09-05-2005 03:22									#126
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quote: Not much, witha 50 foot section of a carrier rapidly sinking beneath him...

I just imagined that!

	09-05-2005 03:31									#127
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Make it the entire carrier + battle group, and they could do a lot...

... until they ran out of oil

	09-05-2005 03:38									#128
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Isn't the carrier nuclear powered ? Then it's just go to the ME and dig up some oil.

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How do all you people think to survive without speaking the local lingo?

	09-05-2005 04:07									#130
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Nuclear carriers also have their own machine shops and libraries (computer and otherwise). They are basically floating factories.

	09-05-2005 05:15									#131
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quote: Originally posted by BlackCat Isn't the carrier nuclear powered ? Then it's just go to the ME and dig up some oil.

The rest of the ships aren't. I'd love to see someone set up an oil-drilling operation using only the stuff available to a carrier battle group.

Plus, navigation would suck without GPS.

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Kuci's three personal carrier battle groups would pwn all.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The rest of the ships aren't. I'd love to see someone set up an oil-drilling operation using only the stuff available to a carrier battle group. Plus, navigation would suck without GPS.

Not really...

Pretty easy to navigate to within a hundred metres, actually

	09-05-2005 05:22									#134
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Only problem would be that your clock would be off, given time travel. Best to get a point of reference on nearest land mass, then reset clocks properly using this and a star fix.

After that, as long as skies were clear you'd be able to get a position fix relatively quickly on any clear night.

	09-05-2005 05:41									#135
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Do they carry star charts or whatever they use for 100 AD, though?

	09-05-2005 05:47									#136
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They carry computer programs that can project backward that far easily.

	09-05-2005 05:48									#137
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Hell, I have one on my computer that can do that.

	09-05-2005 05:49									#138
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You don't even need starcharts. You can navigate pretty well with just a clock (and a known position) for longitude and a sextant for latitude.

	09-05-2005 05:50									#139
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I doubt I'd achieve much with my slight knowledge of contemporary Belgian law and my somewhat greater music of electronic music. I'd probably get flooded as well.

	09-05-2005 05:52									#140
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If you're going to do that you need to watch the stars for a few days to determine at least a couple of declinations and relative right ascensions

	09-05-2005 08:05									#141
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I'd probably be all alone in NZ. Maori's hadn't arrived yet. So I'd be king of this castle, not that it means anything.

I may set up some superstitious signpost somewhere were the Maori's landed to ward them off and at least alter the course of history.

	09-05-2005 08:21									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The rest of the ships aren't. I'd love to see someone set up an oil-drilling operation using only the stuff available to a carrier battle group. Plus, navigation would suck without GPS.

Ship engines works fine on raw oil so you don't need a modern refinery. About the drilling itselvf - well, who needs high perfomance drilling tools when you only have some few ships to supply.

The real b!tch is to resupply ammo.- that could give some headache

Almost forgot - getting to the mediterranean sea is also a little problematic - no channel.

	09-05-2005 08:39									#143
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I started thinking about the subject, particularily about the lack of chemicals and metals, then I realised that, thanks to the Park Service I know where I can get my hands on iron ore and saltpeter relatively nearby. I guess what I'd do is stuff my pockets full of cheap costume jewelry before leaving for the year 100 AD. Upon arrival I'd find the nearest Monotauk village and use the jewelry to barter for food. I'd walk over to the nearest iron deposit, do a little mining, start a fire and then pound out some simple iron tools and weapons. I expect that I would become a popular person among the tribes, I might even be able to hire assistants. Then I could go find that saltpeter deposit. With time and the right ingredients I'd eventually fashion simple matchlock arquebuses. Heck, even simple grenades would probably do the trick. Armed with these babies my tribe would sweep the western hemisphere.

Then I'd have to figure out how to build a carack.

	09-05-2005 11:55									#144
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse In Roman Europe or China the rightmaterials would be easy to come by, and you could make a very efficient still.

China is the place you want to be at 100CE if you want to conquer the world - the whole world, not like that wuzz Alexander. They had the most advanced technology at the time and tons of people.

	09-05-2005 12:26									#145
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Rome and China had similar levels of technology. The most important thing would be a well-developed metalworking infrastructure, some experience with basic chemistry and a strong central government. Both China and Rome would do rather nicely.

I really don't think it would be possible to conquer the world from either position. You might succeed in giving a significant leg up. My goal would be to offer enough practical advice in terms of pyrotechnics, metal fabrication etc. to keep the state running and interested in continued technical development, then to write down as much of physics, modern mathematics etc. as I could from the ground up. Would hasten the pace of human advance for the next millennium or so. Might get them to the industrial revolution a thousand years early, then power them into the electronic age rather quickly after that...

	09-05-2005 12:31									#146
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quote: I really don't think it would be possible to conquer the world from either position.

Even if you ascend to the throne in either place, of course.

	09-05-2005 19:40									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger China is the place you want to be at 100CE if you want to conquer the world - the whole world, not like that wuzz Alexander. They had the most advanced technology at the time and tons of people.

I think you're underestimating Hellenistic science by quite a large degree, and Roman war technology.

After all, this was the culture which had harnessed steam power and developed the Antikythera Device.

	09-05-2005 20:01									#148
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I suspect most of us in North America would starve. By the time we managed to get together any black powder, or carve a working bow and arrow, or even useful fishing gear, we'd run out of food. and any contact with the natives would likely prove hostile (as a very large proportion of first contacts historically were) The exceptions would be those who BOTH know a fair amount about primitive fishing, and luck out in terms of being near to a good fishing spot. They will survive, but will probably conquer nothing.

Those in civilized places, will probably end up being assimilated into local life, perhaps influencing it a little, but not conquering the world.


The most influential technologies would be simple ones, easy to adopt without an infrastructure. Better crop rotation, the stirrup, soap. Stuff like that. Not metal and chemical industries.

Vesayen, ever read Stirlings ISOT?

	09-05-2005 20:08									#149
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I disagree with your last point. A similar method as that used to make potassium nitrate can be used to make potash, a valuable fertiliser...

And if you think that the Roman army wouldn't be interested in cannons then you're dead wrong...

	09-05-2005 20:10									#150
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Though of course I agree that conquering the world is slightly ridiculous. Knowledge only turns into power when you have the means to implement it, and the means are lacking in 100 AD