08-05-2005 15:05									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Az @ KH I already know the language spoken at this time at 100 AD.

You know aramaic?

	08-05-2005 15:07									#62
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Judea didn't speak aramaic - it was a diplo language - but actually aramaic is pretty easy to learn from hebrew. Some letters are replaced by others, a small group of differing verbs - that's about it. I read aramaic texts rather fluently as a kid.

	08-05-2005 15:08									#63
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Knowledge of Hebrew among the Jews was actually rather limited at that point in time.

Likely only rabbis would understand you...

	08-05-2005 15:10									#64
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It wasn't just a diplomatic language. The people of Judea spoke Aramaic in day-to-day conversation at the time...

	08-05-2005 15:16									#65
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quote: Knowledge of Hebrew among the Jews was actually rather limited at that point in time.

That's vastly contested - besides, as I've said, they're very similar. VERY similar.

	08-05-2005 15:18									#66
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I agree, but even if they spoke Hebrew you probably would have a great deal of difficulty in making yourself understood. The accent was likely very different.

A lot of things change in 2000 years...

	08-05-2005 15:21									#67
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This is bringing back memories of high school religion classes.

Goddamn, those Jesuits knew how to drive something into your skull so you could never forget it.

I think I can still trace Paul's voyages on a map...

	08-05-2005 15:26									#68
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quote: I agree, but even if they spoke Hebrew you probably would have a great deal of difficulty in making yourself understood. The accent was likely very different.

Now this is definetly true! Esp. in hebrew where vowels are seldom marked. But I think that written texts show that language structure hasn't changed that much.


In any case, I am very much ****ed being in judea, and all.

	08-05-2005 17:39									#69
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Who says I want to?

	08-05-2005 17:50									#70
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quote: Charcoal is easy to make. Burn wood in an earthen mound Sulphur can be found in deposits along riversides, and was well known to the ancients Potassium nitrate can be made from nitre-bearing earth (any fertile soil will do). Pour boiling water through the dirt, strained through a charcoal/cloth filter. Let cool, then decant the liquid, reboil, then add alcohol. The white crystals which form are potassium nitrate. Scoop them out and dry them. They're ready for use. Mix the above ingredients in 10:15:75 ratio. Grind with a mortar and pestle (best to add water or alcohol then mix the sludge, then dry for safety's sake). Bronze is a decent material to use for early cannons. Bronze-working techniques were well-known in much of the ancient world. The centre-bore technique driven by either animal or waterwheel would probably be a useful innovation.

I'm impressed.

Oh, and nice try from others, but I doubt any of you would've ever figured out what to do when you wouldn't have found proper saltpeter anywhere. Unlike in Civ3, IRL you can't find explosive saltpeter by simply mining random places.

Edit: added the whole quote.

	08-05-2005 18:01									#71
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Well, let's see. I'd suddenly be in a swamp in Southern Florida with no access to anything useful. I expect I'd die fairly quickly from malaria or be killed by Indians.

	08-05-2005 18:09									#72
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Well, let's see. I'd suddenly be in a swamp in Southern Florida with no access to anything useful. I expect I'd die fairly quickly from malaria or be killed by Indians.

Not malaria, if current theories are tenable.

Had to wait for large scale Spanish/African immigration in the south, and European immigration in the north.

	08-05-2005 18:12									#73
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So I just have to wait for an indian attack or a hurricane. Losing the electricity would be a bumer with summer coming up. Not having any potable water would be uncool. Guess the wife would have to learn to eat fish.

	08-05-2005 18:17									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Vesayen No it isnt, it substitutes out the charchaol for some chemical compound I don't know how to make. Unless you confine it to a small space and it ignites, then you get the effect of an explosion . Really for the temperatures needed to make bronze, you don't need anything fancy.... a really low level clay or even easier, sand forge will work. Make clay bricks. Make a base of clay bricks and 4 walls a ceiling. Have a small circular opening on the top to let out the smoke and let in oxygen, but keep the heat inside. There are several different designs you can use for the inside of it. Use that to make the tools. You can use the forge to melt the bronze and channel it into the mold. Really, if you build a bronze cannon it would proboably be best to do it in ONE solid piece, since it is destined to explode anyway. Dig out a hole in the sand in the shape of the cannon barrel and line it with clay. Use that as a mold. For fuel, produce charchaol which involves taking wood and spreading it. Light the wood on fire then carefully tend the ashes as they smoke to get the desired effect. You can just use wood, but smelting works better with higher temperatures, which means higher quality fuel.

You should try doing this. It would be interesting to see how far you can get into the process before realizing you don't know what the **** you're doing.

	08-05-2005 18:24									#75
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara So I just have to wait for an indian attack or a hurricane. Losing the electricity would be a bumer with summer coming up. Not having any potable water would be uncool. Guess the wife would have to learn to eat fish.

You can heat fresh water in a shell if you're desperate.

C'mon Comrade Che, you're sounding like a decadent bourgeois quitter. Where would the citizens of Stalingrad and Leningrad have been with that defeatist attitude ?

	08-05-2005 18:26									#76
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Let's see...in the year 100, my current location is at the Eastern fringe of Roman Britain. The city I'm currently in didn't really get started for another few centuries by the Anglo-Saxons so I'd have to hike for miles to find the nearest Roman settlement. I'm an urban person to my very core. I do not know how to survive off the land in any reasonable way. Romans have few uses for undergraduate biochemists.

Yeah. I'm dead meat walking.

	08-05-2005 18:27									#77
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I'd use my almanac containing results of gladiator bouts 100-150AD to amass a personal fortune.

	08-05-2005 18:30									#78
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What was the average height of a person in Europe in 100AD? I'd be quite tall compared to the locals I'd reckon.

	08-05-2005 18:30									#79
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What's with the fascination with explosives? Why do you think it will give you such a huge advantage? Personally, knowing trade and engineering seems like a much better thing to do.

	08-05-2005 18:34									#80
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I'd set up a dentist shop and become revered as a god.

	08-05-2005 19:27									#81
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I'd try to think about agriculture as I know it and about the things that make houses warm (I have no specific knowledge, but that's still a better knowledge than ancient Germanic tribes, and my current neighbours may well know something about it).

Then I'd try to increase the agricultural output of the area, and build a house that is warm and relatively safe from fire. So that I'll spend the remainder of my life in relative comfort.

Edit: should Stuttgart be an established settlement already, I'd try to travel to Rome, and use my knowledge of the future to pass for a prophet. Unfortunately, my specific knowledge is vastly insufficient.

	08-05-2005 19:34									#82
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Spiff, weren't there some reasonably sized urban Roman settlements near to your current location ?

An interactive Roman Empire map for your delectation and amusuement:

http://resourcesforhistory.com/map.htm

	08-05-2005 19:44									#83
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You can use google to find out if your place is civilized. It's not against the rules of the game, I think.

http://www.euratlas.com/time/nw0001.htm

	08-05-2005 19:45									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I'd try to think about agriculture as I know it and about the things that make houses warm (I have no specific knowledge, but that's still a better knowledge than ancient Germanic tribes, and my current neighbours may well know something about it). Then I'd try to increase the agricultural output of the area, and build a house that is warm and relatively safe from fire. So that I'll spend the remainder of my life in relative comfort. Edit: should Stuttgart be an established settlement already, I'd try to travel to Rome, and use my knowledge of the future to pass for a prophet. Unfortunately, my specific knowledge is vastly insufficient.

I'd wager that an agrarian society will already know more about agriculture than you could possibly tell them (particularily when you consider that most crops grown thesedays did not exist in europe at that time), and that any knowledge you have of construction would be ultimately useless in regards to the materials available, and that they already know how to use what they have to make a comfortable home better than you could, anyways.

	08-05-2005 19:53									#85
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Yup, I'm among the Sveba. Agricultural bunch, appeased by the romans IIUC. Also, I'm right next to a river that leads to the the Rhine (about 150 km till the junction with the Rhine), so going anywhere shouldn't be too difficult if I find a way to get locals help me with the food and protection during the voyage. It's possible there is no large settlement with Roman traders around, but Mayence is already an established Roman settlement, so I should find trade caravans there.

I must admit that I'd largely prefer settling down in Italy than in Germany. The cold would easily kill me otherwise.

	08-05-2005 20:01									#86
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yeah, General Ludd, every society knows everything about survival in it's own enviroment.


Btw, KH, I've been thinking about it, and where are you going to get alcohol?

	08-05-2005 20:01									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Yup, I'm among the Sveba. Agricultural bunch, appeased by the romans IIUC. Also, I'm right next to a river that leads to the the Rhine (about 150 km till the junction with the Rhine), so going anywhere shouldn't be too difficult if I find a way to get locals help me with the food and protection during the voyage.

All you need now is to locate the silk, wine, pheasant & peat and you're all set.

	08-05-2005 20:13									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Az Btw, KH, I've been thinking about it, and where are you going to get alcohol?

You never made home brew?

	08-05-2005 20:13									#89
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd I'd wager that an agrarian society will already know more about agriculture than you could possibly tell them (particularily when you consider that most crops grown thesedays did not exist in europe at that time), and that any knowledge you have of construction would be ultimately useless in regards to the materials available, and that they already know how to use what they have to make a comfortable home better than you could, anyways.

I don't know for Germanic huts, but Celtic huts were heavy on wood and straw, and didn't have a separate chimney to evacuate the fumes. When the Romans arrived, they brought great architectural progress. I expect the Germans of the time to be about as backward.

Considering there's a mason among my neighbours (remember, we're bringing the neighbours in the party), I think we'll know fairly quickly how to make primitive cement, so that it would be possible to build a house in non-flammable material, and a hearth. That's well in advance with primitive huts, despite using available resources.

	08-05-2005 20:15									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Az Btw, KH, I've been thinking about it, and where are you going to get alcohol?

You can trade useless trinkets for alcohol.