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VetLegion
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Here in Croatia, we are in a (slow) process of joining the EU.
Newspapers are full of claims that we have to boost agricultural production and area planted with each produce before we enter the Union, because once we are in, we won't be allowed to expand it. They say not a single extra olive tree or wineyard can be planted once in EU.
How much of this is true?
I assume that because the amount of agricultural subsidies in the EU is limited and pretty much the same each year (about 50 billion euros), there are production quotas for both products and countries.
What happens if I want to play the game, but outside of the subsidy network? Basically, can I plant grape and produce my wine and sell it in EU, or am I literally forbidden to compete under the CAP?
If the latter is true, how does it measure with constitutions, laws and agreements guaranteeing freedom of enterprise?
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VetLegion
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Thanks BeBro. It stinks of bloody communism, though I have no real proof yet:
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1. Production quotas as such
Quotas are fixed at national level for milk and sugar and allocated to farms or enterprises. Producers exceeding the quotas in each Member State face penalties. |
OK, they are under contract. What I want to know is what happens to producers that aren't under subsidy contract?
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VetLegion
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Oerdin:
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The penalties likely come in the form of reduced subsidies, however, |
Mostly, but, if I recieve no subsidies to begin with? I still get punished.
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VetLegion
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I'm not opposed to subsidies as such, since in our world today everyone and their sister is doing it, but I am opposed to reducing liberty. I don't see why I should be forbidden to plant whatever I want on my land and sell it to whomever I want. It is plain evil.
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Bereta_Eder
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Originally posted by VetLegion
Here in Croatia, we are in a (slow) process of joining the EU.
Newspapers are full of claims that we have to boost agricultural production and area planted with each produce before we enter the Union, because once we are in, we won't be allowed to expand it. They say not a single extra olive tree or wineyard can be planted once in EU.
How much of this is true?
I assume that because the amount of agricultural subsidies in the EU is limited and pretty much the same each year (about 50 billion euros), there are production quotas for both products and countries.
What happens if I want to play the game, but outside of the subsidy network? Basically, can I plant grape and produce my wine and sell it in EU, or am I literally forbidden to compete under the CAP?
If the latter is true, how does it measure with constitutions, laws and agreements guaranteeing freedom of enterprise? |
Little history. europe thought it must have enough food to eat. europe made a program (CAP). europe was too sucessful. it had too much to eat.
in order to safeguard markets europe started burying food. (oh yes in the '80s trucks after trucks with oranges and what have you were dumped and buried while the children of africa had no food. sane?)
moving on, CAP takes too much money from eu budget. but farmers always help tremendous political influence. so we go with the "little by little" approach.
what happens now is: you will get less subsidies or not at all for some crops. you can either shift to different crops or stop being a farmer. if you produce stuff the EU doesn want you'll go to financial ruin. (they'll cost pennies, you'll get no money in subsidies)
also i dont think you can play with the EU by making more farms now so as to have them when you enter. but im not sure
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Bereta_Eder
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quote:
Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
in switzerland its legal to have marijuana plants, but its illegal to smoke it. |
that reminded me of a joke a pothead at the army told me.
so a pothead die and goes to hell. there he sees endless plantations of marijuana wherever the eye could see. "this is not hell, this is heaven!" he excalims so he quickly snatches some leaves. then he searches his pockets for rolling paper. "great i also have rolling paper" then he seacrhes for a fire... no matches, nooo no in one pocket not in the other.....
then he sees a man passing by
"hey do you have a flame?"
"dude if we also had a flame, this would be heaven"
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08-05-2005 21:33
Well, alcohol is bad anyway 
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