15-05-2005 10:50									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Eggball?? Don't we already have the term mellonball for that American travesty?

IIRC, the term is "handmelon," invented by Stefu.

	15-05-2005 13:56									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger IIRC, the term is "handmelon," invented by Stefu.

That's the one!

	15-05-2005 14:47									#33
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quote: I did it in another thread on the matter. It might have been the last one of these. Basically the term football comes from England to describe any game played on foot rather than on horseback. Back in the mid 1800s, there were a ton of different football games, a kicking game, a dribbling game, and a pick it up and run with it game were ALL called football (with no real prefexes). That changed when the sports started to get organized. The English football association codified the rules to make football the kicking game. Well a few clubs weren't fond and had their own league of rugby football (named after the school the rules came from IIRC). So you have association football and rugby football. Association Football (from the Football Association) becomes soccer (asSOCiation Football). Rugby football (colloquially called rugger at the time) was the precursor for American football and Australian rules football, both which have the same running with the ball. The sport of rugby, to this day, is officially 'rugby football'. So basically people who say that soccer is an incorrect name for the sport are being incredibly ignorant about its history. Some more reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football

It's not incorrect, but it's not recognised as being the name for the sport in a VAST majority of nations. Only 5 FIFA nations (IIRC) call it "soccer"... so in the 98% of the rest of countries, soccer is not recognised as the name of the sport. In fact not even local language derivatives are.

Again, it's not incorrect, but it's not the common name for it.

	15-05-2005 19:09									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui So basically people who say that soccer is an incorrect name for the sport are being incredibly ignorant about its history.

It may not be incorrect but it is morally wrong.

	15-05-2005 21:07									#35
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Woohoo, what an ending for a season. West Brom came from the last in the league to clinch a spot. Though Norwich losing to Fullham 6-0 is rather shocking.

	15-05-2005 23:52									#36
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'survival sunday' was awesome, every team in the bottom four was safe at some point this afternoon

watched the norwich game, they got well and truly spanked, but if a couple of questionable decisions early on hadn't gone against them, things could have been very different. saints were the same **** they've been all season and i'm not sorry to see them go down. palace did their usual 'let in a rubbish goal in the last few minutes' trick to go down. baggies did well to win, though in all fairness i doubt pompey pressed them too hard after they scored the first goal.

in other news man city missed out on europe thanks to robbie fowler missing a last minute penalty and the mighty arsenal kept up their record of not drawing a last day game in the prem by losing 2-1 to birmingham, via an emile heskey goal for ****s sake!

	16-05-2005 01:25									#37
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Palace.

I found it amusing that Everton came in at 4th despite having a negative goal difference (thanks to Arsenal).

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quote: Again, it's not incorrect, but it's not the common name for it.

Which ain't what Atahualpa was asserting (though I know you weren't defending his wrongness) .

quote: in other news man city missed out on europe thanks to robbie fowler missing a last minute penalty

Yeah... how crushing! Never trust Robbie Fowler with your season.

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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin I found it amusing that Everton came in at 4th despite having a negative goal difference (thanks to Arsenal).

How did that happen? I thought that would put them 5th?

	16-05-2005 14:32									#40
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By the time they lost to Arsenal they had already secured 4th spot, Liverpool were too far behind to catch up.

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Oh and congratulations notyoueither on winning the fantasy football this time round.

Final table is here:

http://fantasy.premierleague.com/M/table.mc?id=3733

Hopefully we can get more players next season?

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Harrrr I didnt finish bottom, and finished top for May

	16-05-2005 23:19									#43
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Arsenal is saying they won't have Henry for the FA Cup Final. And Supporters United is trying to get MUFC fans to wear black in protest of Glazier's takeover.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH By the time they lost to Arsenal they had already secured 4th spot, Liverpool were too far behind to catch up.

I thought they were only 6 points apart?

	17-05-2005 09:37									#45
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Yeah... and which result do you know to garner you 6 points .

Liverpool had 1 game left and 6 points to catch up before Arsenal beat down Everton.

	17-05-2005 13:04									#46
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Exactly.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Oh and congratulations notyoueither on winning the fantasy football this time round. Final table is here: http://fantasy.premierleague.com/M/table.mc?id=3733 Hopefully we can get more players next season?

Cheers to all sentiments.

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with two weeks to go until the next world cup qualifying matches, im gonna put in my group 4 predictions

Switzerland v Feroe Islands 4 - 0
Ireland v Israel 1 - 1

Switzerland 6 3 3 0 14 3 12 11
Ireland 6 2 4 0 8 3 10 5
Israel 7 2 5 0 9 7 10 2
France 6 2 4 0 5 1 9 4

Last edited by Lawrence of Arabia on 19-05-2005 at 04:14

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Well, as expected, NUFC let Kluivert go. But Souness told Robert that they aren't letting him go free, and if there are no offers, he'll have to report .

	24-05-2005 04:37									#50
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actually, now i think israel might beat Ireland, because Keane is out.

Switzerland 6 3 3 0 14 3 12 11
Israel 7 2 5 0 9 6 10 3
France 6 2 4 0 5 1 9 4
Ireland 6 2 3 1 7 3 9 4

then all israel needs to do is lose to switzerland (most likely will happen) and then switzerland has the inside track to qualifying

	24-05-2005 04:54									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Which ain't what Atahualpa was asserting (though I know you weren't defending his wrongness)

Oh come on... You can watch as much NFL as you like! It's a great sport (maybe).



Of course we could settle with a compromise by calling it NFL Football and FIFA Football and UEFA Football if you are talking about Europe only or CAF, AFC, CONMEBOL,.... whatever games exist with the name Football.

Or I shall continue spreading the word that whatever historic reason you might come up with.. it's still a game where an egg-shaped something is carried to the other side

	24-05-2005 05:05									#52
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american football should be renamed for what it is - and its not football.

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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Oh come on... You can watch as much NFL as you like! It's a great sport (maybe). Of course we could settle with a compromise by calling it NFL Football and FIFA Football and UEFA Football if you are talking about Europe only or CAF, AFC, CONMEBOL,.... whatever games exist with the name Football. Or I shall continue spreading the word that whatever historic reason you might come up with.. it's still a game where an egg-shaped something is carried to the other side

Or you can just admit how wrong you were . Football is just as valid a name for the NFL as FIFA's according to the historical basis of the names. And the oval ball is something common to all forms of rugby football, whether played in England, Australia, or whereever.

"NFL Football" and "FIFA Football" are redundant. Federation International Football Association Football and National Football League Football is silly.

You could have 'football' in your thread title, but don't say I didn't warn you when Americans come in and dispute the term or Sava comes back and posts desktop sized pictures of Chicago Bears.

	24-05-2005 05:34									#54
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quote: Or you can just admit how wrong you were . Football is just as valid a name for the NFL as FIFA's according to the historical basis of the names. And the oval ball is something common to all forms of rugby football, whether played in England, Australia, or whereever.

Pardonezmoi, but where did I said I care about the historical background.. my careful analysis showed that based on the appearence of both games one has more rights to deserve the name football than the other and if historically BOTH have the same rights, than that's still 2:1 for teh real football

quote: "NFL Football" and "FIFA Football" are redundant. Federation International Football Association Football and National Football League Football is silly.

Come on... Did you never send an SMS Message? A Short Message Service Message? Or did you play FIFA Soccer? Maybe not, at least you have heard them and they don't sound strange.. so...

quote: You could have 'football' in your thread title, but don't say I didn't warn you when Americans come in and dispute the term or Sava comes back and posts desktop sized pictures of Chicago Bears.

I guess that makes it perfectly okay for me to storm any (american) football thread as well and post zillion desktop sized pictures of Real Madrid, Arsenal and Bayern München.

Shall we give in to the terrorists? Either you are with me or with the terrorists!

	24-05-2005 05:42									#55
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quote: my careful analysis showed that based on the appearence of both games one has more rights to deserve the name football than the other

Both are played on the foot. Both have a ball.

quote: Did you never send an SMS Message? A Short Message Service Message?

Haven't you considered that odd? Why don't you call it just an SMS. It's redundant and shouldn't be used.

quote: I guess that makes it perfectly okay for me to storm any (american) football thread as well and post zillion desktop sized pictures of Real Madrid, Arsenal and Bayern M�nchen.

If you want... but no one has done so... while the opposite is surely true. And soccer is a valid name from history.

	24-05-2005 06:25									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: my careful analysis showed that based on the appearence of both games one has more rights to deserve the name football than the other Both are played on the foot. Both have a ball.

This would go for Tennis, Handball, Basketball, Golf,... the only thing excluded would probably be Polo as this is played on a horse (and every sport without a ball)

Still I think my analysis was not understood... I am thinking about repeating it!

quote: Haven't you considered that odd? Why don't you call it just an SMS. It's redundant and shouldn't be used.

Because just an SMS is still wrong. You don't _send_ a Short Message Service, you just send a short message and therefor it would have to be called sending a SM. You can say I use SMS to send you a SM.
As you can see, this is getting us nowhere... forget about the oddity.

quote: If you want... but no one has done so... while the opposite is surely true. And soccer is a valid name from history.

That's because football fans are much more civilized

	24-05-2005 08:07									#57
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owneage.

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quote: This would go for Tennis, Handball, Basketball, Golf

Exactly... thereby indicating your 'analysis' is flawed. It depends on what people consider by 'foot' (whether kicking or on foot) or ball (sphere or any ball).

It depends on an already made up mind.

quote: Because just an SMS is still wrong. You don't _send_ a Short Message Service, you just send a short message and therefor it would have to be called sending a SM. You can say I use SMS to send you a SM.

Then go ahead and say you sent an SM by using an SMS... it's better not to be redundant.

quote: That's because football fans are much more civilized

Perhaps, but it depends on the fan.

	24-05-2005 08:17									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It depends on what people consider by 'foot' (whether kicking or on foot)

Whoever thought that "foot" in football meant "because theyre on foot", is an idiot.