14-05-2005 19:00									#91
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from what I have observed.. people generally have a lot harder time dealing wtih emotional pain

but yes, please don't attempt or succeed in suicide

there is always someones life (many times many peoples lives) that youa re affecting in a negative way by doing so

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	14-05-2005 21:20									#92
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What I've learned from this thread:

VJ sucks balls

The person who works at a suicide prevention hotline has attempted to commit suicide

	14-05-2005 21:21									#93
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I hear stories about people who literally have blinding headaches for years on end. If that was me I'd put a bullet in my brain.

	14-05-2005 21:26									#94
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Isn't there some sort of surgical procedure against that? like they saw the brain in two, or something?

	14-05-2005 21:45									#95
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You could always try drilling a hole in your skull to relieve pressure. Supposedly the ancient Egyptians et al did that for headaches. Or maybe that was tumors. I forget.

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	14-05-2005 21:57									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker <-- Doesn't drink

Me neither, not any more.

But Verres, what is the deal with your liver? You mentioned an OD. Do you mean this damage was a one time thing, or had you been heavily drinking and doing heavy drugs for a long time which caused the damage.

But I'd agree with JohnT that this is a blessing. You're going to have to start eating healthier, excercising and taking supplements to heal your liver. And while you're doing that, and not drinking, I think you'll find that your state of mind will change and that you're not so depressed anymore.

Good luck

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn But Verres, what is the deal with your liver? You mentioned an OD. Do you mean this damage was a one time thing, or had you been heavily drinking and doing heavy drugs for a long time which caused the damage.

Apparently the result of many untreated OD's over a period of years. If I hadn't ended up in A&E this time I'd be none the wiser. Alcohol probably did it's fair share of damage too, though I wouldn't have said I drank more than a lot of people my age.

	14-05-2005 22:47									#98
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Verres, this is a blessing in disguise Your life starts now...

JohnT, what good advise!

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Really sucks for your liver Verres

Hang in there. In time, the doctors might cure/regenrate it

Edit: Here's the quote I got after my post:
"I can't die until the government finds a safe place to bury my liver."

	14-05-2005 23:01									#100
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I'm sure you can cope without drinking, if you have self respect

Sometiems I feel like there's been damage done to my liver. I definitely used to cope a lot better with alocohol then I do nowadays, being a lot more hung over in the mornings after when I never used to get any hangovers at all. Had one overdose at 19

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	14-05-2005 23:02									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Aivo½so I just have to say that with that kind of attitude, VJ will probably himself be headed for grave psychological problems in the future. No respect for others -> no respect for oneself.

	14-05-2005 23:03									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Verres You could always try drilling a hole in your skull to relieve pressure. Supposedly the ancient Egyptians et al did that for headaches. Or maybe that was tumors. I forget.

I think it's a short term solution only.

I have had extra pressure up there for about a year now. You can lower it with appropriate medicine, but it comes back.

	14-05-2005 23:08									#103
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That OD was untreated, too. does it make a sense to see a doc now? and tell him what?

	14-05-2005 23:11									#104
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This is a good thing.

quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Hang in there. In time, the doctors might cure/regenrate it

So that she can destroy it again?

	14-05-2005 23:18									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion That OD was untreated, too. does it make a sense to see a doc now? and tell him what?

If you are worried, they can run a quick blood test and let you know if there's any damage. Probably take about a week if you get it done at the docs, but should put your mind at rest. Depends very much on what you took, how much, what state your liver was already in, what you weighed and about a million other things. But its easy to find out.

	14-05-2005 23:19									#106
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd So that she can destroy it again?

I know this doesn't sound believable....but I wouldn't. I am certainly not expecting to be given a second chance, but if by some miracle I was, I wouldnt repeat the mistakes of the last few years.

	14-05-2005 23:58									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Verres I heard something by The Flaming Lips (called fight test I think....not sure) ages ago and it made me want to eat my own eye balls - so I may give it a miss.

Yeah, Test Flight was kind of far out there while Yoshimi is more of a main stream album that's mostly guitars and electronica. The basic genre hasn't changed though.

	15-05-2005 00:04									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Verres But, like it or not, I've had some bad news and wanted an outlet for it here as I don't want to let anyone in RL know how dumb I've been.

That is actually understandable and I've done the same thing here before. I sometime talk about issues which or say things which I truly think which I really couldn't say to people I know in RL. Sometimes it is just nice to get objective advice about situations from people who don't know your real family and who can't tell co-workers and things like that.

	15-05-2005 01:10									#109
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor I've always found nature the best drug i get of on.

you wanna have a serious word with your dealer about that...

	15-05-2005 04:47									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Verres You could always try drilling a hole in your skull to relieve pressure. Supposedly the ancient Egyptians et al did that for headaches. Or maybe that was tumors. I forget.

They did skulltrepanation (maybe wrong translation) all the time due to their limited knowledge.. It relieves the headache from a growing cancer, but as it keeps growing it'll come back I would think

quote: from what I have observed.. people generally have a lot harder time dealing wtih emotional pain but yes, please don't attempt or succeed in suicide

Always hard to say that unless you've been through it yerself. I still think physical pain is a bit worse, because it's constantly there, and because the pain is always there it gets psychological as well. It really affects my life all the time. I don't think I can do any job at all... and certainly not what I am studying for... Now how does that look like huh
Being depressed on the other hand is some sort of malfunction in the brain I recently read. It might be possible to treat it better in the future. Need more info on that though

	15-05-2005 04:52									#111
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jus verrinum

	15-05-2005 05:47									#112
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quote: Originally posted by VJ Both your short-lived relationship with Drogue and your (old, changed like 5 minutes ago) signature disagree. It'd be a good thing if you wouldn't be either one in the future, and boldly saying so is a nice first step.

VJ, what the **** are you on? Please don't bring this into me, I know of nothing to do with our relationship that would suggest the kind of comments you've made, and the fact you'd consider it short lived seems to show your ignorance on the matter.

Dear God, you never seemed like such an ignorant, cruel, opinionated **** in real life. Not only do you have little to no idea of what you're talking about, nothing would warrant the abuse you've spewed. I seriously hope your lack of reply is due to a permaban.

Verres: I'm not sure if you'd want me to post anything, but I wanted to wish you well. I really hope you get better, and I'd like nothing more than to see you get that second chance. While I know you probably won't want me to, I'm always here if there's anything I can do.

	15-05-2005 05:54									#113
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I am curious as to what you tried to OD on if you don't mind me asking.

	15-05-2005 05:56									#114
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could be something as simple as advil

Jon miller

	15-05-2005 08:35									#115
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Was paracetamol in this case. In the past its been that, ibuprofen (which i think is like advil? Not sure) and various prescription pain killers.

Yes, I know paracetamol is one of the worst ones in terms of long term damage and unpredictability etc. But then, I am female


(btw, thanks Drogue)