14-05-2005 07:54									#1
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This is the worst thing to ever happen to me. No alcohol. Ever.



Actually, I have just been told to be very very careful. But that amounts to the same thing doesn't it? I have also been warned off paracetamol and ibuprofen for the rest of my life.

I'm not even 20 yet have significantly reduced my life expectancy through one moment of stupidity. What else can I say, people of apolyton? Don't even try it. Nothing quite like permanent liver damage to make you really want to live again.

	14-05-2005 07:56									#2
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Next thing you know you're going to be drunk and hitting it in the back of a hatchback.

Last edited by Oerdin on 14-05-2005 at 10:24

	14-05-2005 07:56									#3
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I am sorry, that's absolutely horrible. What an awful thing to happen to your social life.

Well, maybe your friends will like you more if you work as the Designated Driver.

	14-05-2005 07:57									#4
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Is alchohol REALLY that important anyway?

	14-05-2005 07:58									#5
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Yes

	14-05-2005 07:59									#6
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No! The best men don't drink much.

	14-05-2005 08:01									#7
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I'm female.....and it would at least be nice to be given the choice.

	14-05-2005 08:02									#8
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Lots of people are in your boat Verres. I'm diabetic and have learned not to drink. My wife is what really matters to me, and the family and our friends. Mind altering chemicals like alcohol just make you feel like crap in the end anyway.

	14-05-2005 08:03									#9
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Ahh, choice. Seems it's a luxury in stuff like this where one expects it's a right.

	14-05-2005 08:07									#10
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Just for the record, I've been diabetic for over 10 years and it never got in the way of me drinking.

I am not saying choice is a right at all, and I am well aware a lot of people cannot drink through no fault of their own and I am in no position to complain, I just wanted to express a)how stupid I've been and b)what a crap thing it is to do.

	14-05-2005 08:11									#11
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Screw the alcohol, how have you "significantly reduced [your] life expectancy through one moment of stupidity"?

Verres, are you ok?

	14-05-2005 08:13									#12
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Doh, good question. What happened?

	14-05-2005 08:15									#13
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Ah yes, I am fine in the immediate sense of the word.

Despite failing miserably in my latest suicide attempt , I have been informed my liver is not in a good way. I have to go back and get it checked in 6 months to see about any 'changes'. I only just got back form hospital so am a little shaken, so forgive me for my bluntness.

As I said....really, if you want to kill youself, blow your head off or something. OD's are the most stupid, stupid thing in the world.

	14-05-2005 08:17									#14
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Why would you do something like that Verres?

	14-05-2005 08:20									#15
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That's not for me to answer. I don't tell the real world about my, ahem, shakey mental state so, unlike some, was never one to come on here and complain about problems with medication/feelings of hoplessness etc.

I shall not be doing it again in a hurry though. Yes, I am still far from happy but until there is a failsafe methid, suicide is not an option.

	14-05-2005 08:25									#16
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Well, there are other people with these feelings. I used to have them long, long ago. How about a group therapy thing? Get with people who can understand what you're dealing with on a direct basis?

My solution was praying to God. Changed me in an instant. Well, it changed my feelings of depression and hopelessness, I'm taking alot longer to come around. Been a process...

	14-05-2005 08:29									#17
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I've tried therapy on and off for 4/5 years now, didn't find it much use to be honest. As for God - I actually tried this as a last dich attempt, but it didn't work.

Thankyou for your concern, really, but I seem to have tried and failed every kind of help going. Have my own psychiatric nurse now, woohoo, and the 24 hr help of something amusingly called the 'crisis team'

One good thing about an actual physical condition is that it really does put all the psychological crap into perspective a bit. At least for a while.

	14-05-2005 08:31									#18
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You need to play more Civ. One More Turn Syndrome pwns all diseases.

	14-05-2005 08:35									#19
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Never actually played it - I think I may have finally found the reason behind all this, thankyou DRoseDARs!

	14-05-2005 08:37									#20
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I tried quite a few times before God anwered. I think the problem may have been my pride, but I don't know. Might have been a communication mishap.

"One good thing about an actual physical condition is that it really does put all the psychological crap into perspective a bit. At least for a while."

Good, I can tell you there's alot to live for later in life. The pressures of youth and the changes in the body from childhood to adult can be a profound pain in the ass. These things get better with time...

There's alot to feel good about, once you can feel good about anything. "This too shall pass' was said by a very wise person with no permanant problems like you and I have. Alot of truth in it though.

	14-05-2005 09:38									#21
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I have no advice, but I'm sorry to hear of the situation.

	14-05-2005 09:53									#22
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I suggest moving someplace sunny. Since coming here, I've discovered I'm solar powered. I will never move back north. The grey and lack of sun would kill me, in that my depression would come roaring back.

	14-05-2005 09:56									#23
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I too have little in the way of advice. I'll just say this: Please don't kill yourself. You sound like a very kind and intelligent person online, and I remember seeing a picture of you, you also look very good .

DON'T WASTE IT. I must admit I know little of your troubles, but I honestly think that since I've seen people, my friends go through the most difficult times, physically and mentally, and succeed in the end, It's just a waste - if they could do it, everyone can . You hate the way things are going in every possible meaning of the word? just start over. Don't quit. You are still very young. You've got everything in front of you.

	14-05-2005 10:07									#24
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Verres, you're also a comrade. The world has too few of us as it is. Every one of us is precious. Don't do the capitalists any favors.

	14-05-2005 10:21									#25
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If you have honestly given theropy a real chance and haven't just been going through the motions then you could try the American approach of better living through chemistry. I understand there are a great many different anti-depressents on the market and different people respond differently to different combinations of different drugs. That means if you've tried medical drugs in the past and found they didn't work for you then it might just be that you haven't found the correct combination for your medical condition.

A trained specialist might be able to help you figure out which ones are right for your body and your needs.

	14-05-2005 10:22									#26
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Verres, my lil sis had an ulcer at 16

she ain't allowed to drink eiether

choicolate is her bane

	14-05-2005 10:24									#27
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Verres this is saddening news. I hope you'll get better.

	14-05-2005 12:07									#28
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http://www.medpagetoday.com/tbindex.cfm?tbid=1019

An interesting link I just ran across about the link between Type 2 Diabetes (the type found in young adults) and depression. Since you mentioned both depression and diabetes I thought this article might interet you.

Also do you like music? If so I suggest you pick up The Flamming Lips: Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots as that CD is like lyrical happiness. It's great stuff.

	14-05-2005 12:09									#29
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Hope you get better soon Verres.

	14-05-2005 12:15									#30
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If medication isn't working or religion, or therapy it is unlikely that you have a problem in the sense that there's something wrong with you. Try philosophy instead – Epictetus is a good start.

I think Gaugin said: "Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge."