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It seems quite likely that the person who vetted the story either missed the Koran bit (which was a tiny part of a larger story) or did not know for a fact that it was false (which is understandable as that would be quite difficult to find proof of that). There was some correction of the facts put forth in the advanced copy of the story by this same official, so it's obvious that they didn't simply rubber stamp it. Even a dubious claim could be problematic for the government to complain about if it was difficult to refute. This is an uncomfortable process for both institutions as it tiptoes pretty close to prior restraint even on its better days.


The story was two paragraphs long- how much more could there have been? Also, IIRC, Newsweek did cut out a piece the gov. objected too.


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I think it took a while for the government to acertain that the story was weak or false. They certainly stepped up their criticism of the story as Newsweek backed up step by step. It looks to me as if people simply spun the story in the way that best suited their needs based on the information they had available. In other words, business as usual.


Well, the sad part is that now the right-wing spin machine is out there attacking the "liberal media" as always. It does get repetitive.

The fault of Newsweek was using a single anonymous source without getting some form of corraboration. Of course, wasn't that the same way they broke the Lewisnki story?

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XXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE MAY 17, 2005 11:01:28 ET XXXXX

NEWSWEEK ISIKOFF TOLD RESIGNATION WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTED

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NEWSWEEK's top executives and editors are standing firm behind reporter Michael Isikoff after the magazine retracted his story that U.S. investigators found evidence interrogators at Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Quran.

"Mike was told he would not be sacrificed, we are standing behind him 100%," a top magazine source told the DRUDGE REPORT. "We do not, I repeat, do not let this White House, any White House, make our staff decisions for us."

The top NEWSWEEK executive claims an emotional Isikoff offered to resign from the magazine over the weekend, in a gesture to cool off the international situation.

Isikoff's Guantanamo article was blamed for inciting riots in the Muslim world, where at least 17 people were killed in the ensuing violence.

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White House staffers suspect Isikoff's source for the Quran report was from congress, not from the administration.

Isikoff said in a published interview Tuesday morning: "Whenever something like this happens, you've got to take stock and review what you did - how the story was handled. The big point that leaps out is the cultural one. Neither NEWSWEEK nor the Pentagon foresaw that a reference to the desecration of the Koran was going to create the kind of response that it did. The Pentagon saw the item before it ran, and then they didn't move us off it for 11 days afterward. They were as caught off guard by the furor as we were. We obviously blame ourselves for not understanding the potential ramifications."

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Meanwhile, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said a retraction was only "a good first step" and said NEWSWEEK should try to set the record straight by "clearly explaining what happened and how they got it wrong, particularly to the Muslim world, and pointing out the policies and practices of our military."

Daniel Klaidman, NEWSWEEK's Washington bureau chief, said Tuesday in an interview on CBS that the magazine will "continue to look at how we put together this story, learn from mistakes that we've made and make improvements that are appropriate as we go along."

Developing...

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I agree that Newsweek owes us all an explanation. There is a stink about this that suggests that the origin of the false report was from the Democrats.

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It is clear to me they were mostly focused on painting the administration in a bad light, with journalistic principles, including something as trivial as reporting the truth, a very distant second. And then they weren't aware of the backfiring it created.

Reminds me a little of the Guardian's amateur attempts to influence Ohio voters during the election campaign. Some of these people are totally blinded by their hatred of the current administration. At least nobody got killed over that one.

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Muslim around the world includeing the 10 million in America Muslim donot buy Newweek taken the stroy back. Too many muslim that where release said they saw the Koran flush drown the toil by america military ******* in unfroim..

There are 10 million muslim in America as CAIR did than study
of America Islamist Center Membership in 2000 which show since only 25% of the member show up for firday prayer . So than 7 million to 8 million number is reasoning estimate of Muslim in America. The CIA World Fact Book it complete inaccurate and worthless of Muslim only being 1% of the America Population. USA estimate 3.5 % of the America population is muslim. They did this for thet Tibal Wave story in South Asia. America population is about 298 million people
. While China has a 35% muslim population Muslim woman in China donot have to wear the headscraf or muslim woman clothing to make the Government there happy that there are
hartly any muslim in China, the government there no the truth and allow muslim to workship free unlike the Christian in China who have toublle with the government there.

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It is clear to me they were mostly focused on painting the administration in a bad light, with journalistic principles, including something as trivial as reporting the truth, a very distant second. And then they weren't aware of the backfiring it created.

Reminds me a little of the Guardian's amateur attempts to influence Ohio voters during the election campaign. Some of these people are totally blinded by their hatred of the current administration. At least nobody got killed over that one.




It is although reassuring that such a thing never could happen at this site.

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. While China has a 35% muslim population Muslim woman in China donot have to wear the headscraf or muslim woman clothing to make the Government there happy that there are hartly any muslim in China, the government there no the truth and allow muslim to workship free unlike the Christian in China who have toublle with the government there.


Can I have some of that acid?

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It is clear to me they were mostly focused on painting the administration in a bad light, with journalistic principles, including something as trivial as reporting the truth, a very distant second. And then they weren't aware of the backfiring it created.

Reminds me a little of the Guardian's amateur attempts to influence Ohio voters during the election campaign. Some of these people are totally blinded by their hatred of the current administration. At least nobody got killed over that one.


Journalistic principels have nothing to do with it, there is no such thing in modern media.

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Just how does one flush a book down a toilet anyway?


You burn it first.

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I agree that Newsweek owes us all an explanation. There is a stink about this that suggests that the origin of the false report was from the Democrats.


Classic Nedaverse.

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I agree that Newsweek owes us all an explanation. There is a stink about this that suggests that the origin of the false report was from the Democrats.


Classic Nedaverse.


Quite agree. This is just common thoughtless journalists eager to see their story on frontpages dreaming wet dreams about pulitzer. Even democrats would know that they would be hurt just as much as Bush.

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Classic Nedaverse.


Quite agree. This is just common thoughtless journalists eager to see their story on frontpages dreaming wet dreams about pulitzer. Even democrats would know that they would be hurt just as much as Bush. [/QUOTE]

You guys are sincerely credulous. We still have not heard who crafted the forged documents that Rather used to smear Bush. Could the reason we have not heard be because the truth is embarrassing to the Dems. You can be sure, if it were embarrassing to the Republicans, CBS and its staff would have been all over it.

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Let's see, a massive, powerful, corporatoration is secrettly helping the Democrats to sabotage the party that gives back more to corporations . . . why?

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Che if we were to believe you, why would CBS have published the false story to begin with or even have all of that contact with the Kerry campaign? That's not to say that Ned isn't full of it cuz I thought the consensus was that the person who gave them the documents forged them.

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Dude, if it had been true, it would have been a major coup for CBSNews. Everyone was talking about it. That means more viewers, which means more advertizing dollars. But they got sloppy.

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If the forger was that idiot Texan, well he was a Democrat even if he wasn't in the Kerry campaign.

Perhaps we have the same kind of thing going on with this false Koran report. Perhaps the reporter was talking with some Democrat ACLU lawyer who made the statement based on his "information and belief."

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And, speaking of Democrats, that guy Dean said that Delay was guilty of all sorts of crimes and should be jailed at once.

Last year, he said that Osama bin Laden should be given the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...nterview18.html

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Can I have some of that acid?


Some of the Infro in the CIA world Fact book is way out of date. Plus the CIA methord of rathering the data is question abe. They are makeing than art of studing different culture into than science and history prove many time they got it wrong. In the early 1970's they sent to the President than study saying that China will never be willing to talk to America, when than Chinese scholar looking at the same fact said China is willing to talk to use and the way is open for dip relateship. Six month later Henry Kit was in China talking to the China leadership.
They where saying since the 1950's that there is less than 1 % of the USA population of Muslim in America, at one time it was true but there not alway mean it true. Islam grew when people of Islamist background came to America to be citzren and many local people also convert to Islam, plus they have childern who they raise in they faith. When USA did that story they reaizm the figure in the CIA World Fact Book where way off the mark, the CIA never change the number in they book. There was in the past than man who was on the FBI most wanted list for over twentry year unit JF Hovver notice it and ask his best man to check it out. It turn out the local police thought he murder someone but when they found out afew days later that he has nothing to do with it they notice the FBI to remove his
name which never happen so Hovver order that from nowon there will be than person assign to remove unwant man from the FBI most want list.

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I agree that Newsweek owes us all an explanation. There is a stink about this that suggests that the origin of the false report was from the Democrats.


Can we say baseless accussation?

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Muslim around the world includeing the 10 million in America Muslim donot buy Newweek taken the stroy back.


That's because to these people facts don't matter, the truth doesn't matter, all that does matter is keeping the hate alive even if the basis for that hate is lies. Such shameful, ignorant, and hate filled little people.

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And, speaking of Democrats, that guy Dean said that Delay was guilty of all sorts of crimes and should be jailed at once.

Last year, he said that Osama bin Laden should be given the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...nterview18.html


Delay was invite by than Texas grandjury on many criminal charge of breaking Texas law when he was in the Texas llegravity body.

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There are 10 million muslim in America


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China has a 35% muslim population




What an ignorant ****!



If the US had a 3% muslim population then it would be three times as large as Jews or Native Americans. That just doesn't pass the reality test nor does your claim that there are 400 million muslims in China.

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What an ignorant ****!



If the US had a 3% muslim population then it would be three times as large as Jews or Native Americans. That just doesn't pass the reality test nor does your claim that there are 400 million muslims in China.


3% of 298,000,000 is 8,940,000 which abit more than the number of Jew in america wich is about 7,000,000. The CIA World Fact Book have alot of outdate fact in it. Local politian are now comeing to Islamist center durning election to talk to voter, local potician are aware of change pattern of the local area. In Chioage the city major alway attend Muslim holiday event as almost all of 600,000 muslim there are voter they mayor is Roma Chat, the police chief, fire chief and all city counil member show up as well. Black Muslin are now recognite by America muslim and Saudi Arabia as being in the muslim commity.
Mao didnot like the traditson religion of China( buddhistism and other old Chinese religion) make China than backward nation, Mao hated Christian for rapeing China in the 19th century and the first have of the 20th century. Moa turn to the muslim for educrate scinceist and enginner and treacher to modorise China. He sign than treaty with Pakistan to settle than minor land problem and to have than over entry point of trade with the outside world, part of the agreement was that China will recognite Islam as than religion inside of China and Islam is the religion recongite by the Chinese without any touble. China still doesnot recongice the Holy Seer in Roma.

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I have to agree with CharlesBHoff here that it's not at all unreasonable to think that the U.S. has a 3% Muslim population. I would even consider that to be a conservative estimate.

Now 35% Muslims in China OTOH... sounds interesting. I think that is actually the percentage of Chinese who've ever heard of Muslims.

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The Asian Times has an interesting take on the Newsweek story and "retraction". http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GE18Aa02.html

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Most Chinese look down upon Muslims as many of them come from the western regions. As one person said to me recently, "They are only good for cooking meat on a stick." The Urghurs are especially treated this way and are quick to be labelled terrorists in Xinjiang for doing nothing but holding meetings for discussion.

Christianity is looked upon more favorably and is growing among the more well-to-do Chinese. This is partial because of the image created by those westerners who come to China and practice as compared to Muslims in China. While the Muslims in China are a poor second class society, westerners often come here because of specialized skills to offer and live a more fascinating lifestyle, at least in the eyes of many Chinese.

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But they do that flawlessly.

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Most Chinese look down upon Muslims as many of them come from the western regions. As one person said to me recently, "They are only good for cooking meat on a stick." The Urghurs are especially treated this way and are quick to be labelled terrorists in Xinjiang for doing nothing but holding meetings for discussion.

Christianity is looked upon more favorably and is growing among the more well-to-do Chinese. This is partial because of the image created by those westerners who come to China and practice as compared to Muslims in China. While the Muslims in China are a poor second class society, westerners often come here because of specialized skills to offer and live a more fascinating lifestyle, at least in the eyes of many Chinese.


You are so wrong. First the Muslim never harm china the way Christian did. Near the Pakistian border with China there are many muslim. The land in dispute between China and Pakistian is 90% muslim hightly train people which Mao was happy to have. Than Chinese Muslim Sciencist help China built they first nuclear bomb and missiles. The Culture Rev by Mao was aim against the Buddhist, traditson Chinese Religions and Christian. The Muslim and Hindist where left alone. You will find it very hard to tell muslim apart as they can dress in western clothes and talk
English very well. El Paso have other 5000 muslim and yet you will see no proof visual of muslim being in El Paso. Muslim woman will dress in modest western style clothing
only afew wear the entire Hijab in public one of then is very old from Egypt. Than idiot on than other board which I willnot name show satalie picture of Chinese people say he see no Hijab on the woman. First the picture prove nothing as I said before than Muslim woman can dress to blend in with her surrounding. That why I conside almost CIA operate supid for beliveing satile picture as there are limitlation on infro you can gain from them . There are about 1500 Hindist in El Paso builting they Temple. Many are Hindist woman marriage to Muslim man from India who move here to live, some Hindist man marry muslim woman and move here. There are about 2000 Buddhist in El Paso builting they temple also. Only in Europe are muslim woman encought to wear the Hijab in public opening as Europe Christian Population is drying out due to low birth rate like Japanese are slowly dieing due to low birthrate.
Whinin 20 to 30 year Europe will be mostly muslim control.

Since everybody in El Paso know I than Muslim one Born Again Christian ask what is Islamist food is so he willnot eat Islamist food. At the lowest level of Islamist law you cannot drink any alchol unless it is in medine, or you cannot eat pork meat. Islamist food can be all beef and all turket hot dog, all beef or turkey handburger. You should see the look on his face as he cannot eat pork as his Christian sect doesnot allow eating pork and due to his badly damage liver due to drink too much alcohol drinking so he cannot drink any alcohol drink at all. A lot of Chinese food like rice and beans are Islantist food also.

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I'll agreed that the Muslim population never harmed China the way that Christians did. However, white people here are still more popular than black people by far. History has nothing to do with it. You really have no idea what the muslim populations in China are like. There are muslim immigrants who are usually scientists who come here to study. Most of them are from Africa and black, thus their contributions are generally ignored. The Chinese don't like to admit that they got help from foreigners. Mao single-handedly defeated the Japanese, didn't you know?

The rest of your post is nonsense borderlining on dementia.

 
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