20-05-2005 22:07									#1
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The other thread has gone totally off-topic , so I thought it better to post a new thread . I also included a spoiler warning to ensure that nobody has any misunderstanding .



I just came back from watching it , and I have to say :

Lucas has , IMO , made up for the past two movies in this one . Vader folding his hands at the end was rather . . . . . . unVaderish , if I can call it that . He's not supposed to have any human mannerisms .

It was also a bit too short .

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	20-05-2005 23:17									#2
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Did you ever watch Old Yellow? About the dog...got rabies and they had to put him down. Dog saved someones life or something so it was really heart breaking. I was just a kid back then and cried, which everyone did, and then threw up, which really set me apart.

I hope this post doesn't spoil it for anyone.

	20-05-2005 23:17									#3
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*bump*

Is no-one interested in actually discussing the movies ?

	20-05-2005 23:20									#4
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I already bumpt it for you with my Old Yellow comment...mostly to piss off JT...

	20-05-2005 23:24									#5
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quote: He's not supposed to have any human mannerisms .

But he's a human (at least underneath it all)... so of course he is.

	20-05-2005 23:39									#6
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Well . . . . . .

At least during his time as Vader , right until his redemption , he is supposed to be the most inhuman , cold , and ruthless bastard of the Star Wars universe . So I still maintain that his folding his hands is a bit out of place .

Humans fold their hands when they are not in agreement with a certain view/circumstance , and subconsiously consider it a form of protection from said views/circumstances . Vader does not need , neither does he need to appear to need , such protection . Thus , his folding his hands was unVaderish .

And why didn't they heal what was left of his body before putting on the robosuit ? And what it it with his height ? He is not the towering menace he was in the old Trilogy ( he no longer appears more than a head taller than the Emperor ) .






Till now , it has had a good reception in India , but only two types of people watched it - the hardcore fans , and the old-timers ( like my Dad ) who had seen the original movies . It has not really succeeded in attracting a new audience . Of course , that fact that it was launched today might have something to do with it .

	20-05-2005 23:47									#7
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quote: At least during his time as Vader , right until his redemption , he is supposed to be the most inhuman , cold , and ruthless bastard of the Star Wars universe . So I still maintain that his folding his hands is a bit out of place .

That's the Vader of 20 years after his 'creation'. The loss of Padme turned him into an inhuman and cold creature. That scene didn't seem very long after that.

quote: Humans fold their hands when they are not in agreement with a certain view/circumstance , and subconsiously consider it a form of protection from said views/circumstances . Vader does not need , neither does he need to appear to need , such protection . Thus , his folding his hands was unVaderish .

What?! Since when do humans fold their hands when they are not in agreement?! Its a very badguy like move when surveying a project.

quote: And why didn't they heal what was left of his body before putting on the robosuit ?

Well the robo-meds were doing so right before he got the suit. Remember, his lungs were scorched, so if they didn't get that suit on ASAP, he would have been a gonner.

	20-05-2005 23:56									#8
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We already have a thread about this. Do we really need another one about the exact same subject?

	20-05-2005 23:56									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer I already bumpt it for you with my Old Yellow comment...mostly to piss off JT...

	21-05-2005 00:01									#10
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The other thread has degenerated into old-timers reminescing and fighting over memories ( some have gone to the extent of posting photographical evidence ) .

I'd say that if we want meaningful discussion of the real topic , then yes , another thread is required . I didn't like to do it , but I wanted to discuss it , and nothing can now stop that debate in the other thread .

	21-05-2005 00:31									#11
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One of my big, honest, real gripes about the movie:

Who the **** says "You killed the younglings" when the phrase "You killed the children" is so much better? It's like saying "I don't give a frack" when you want to say "I don't give a ****"--it just makes you sound retarded.

	21-05-2005 01:48									#12
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quote: Who the **** says "You killed the younglings" when the phrase "You killed the children" is so much better?

Word. I thought the exact same thing...

All the Ani/Padme dialogue was horrible however, so I can't really single this specific incident out. ROTS has the worst dialogue of all 6 movies...

	21-05-2005 01:53									#13
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I dunno... Nothing I heard in ROTS is as bad as "Your skin is so smooth, not rough like the desert."

Well, maybe not.

spoiler(highlight to read): "My only sin is loving you too much"

Except the line wasn't even that good. And the delivery was worse.

	21-05-2005 01:59									#14
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What about this?

spoiler(highlight to read): Ani: You're so beautiful. Pad: Only because I'm so in love. Annie: No, it is me who is so in love! (roughly) Padme: (Some gay bullshit that was supposed to be cute, I guess, but ended up sounding horrendous and has therefore been blocked from my memory.)

	21-05-2005 02:01									#15
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Yeah, that might have been what I was thinking about. Like my initial commentary, less Lucas dialogue+more sabering/'splosioning ==> better movie.

	21-05-2005 02:07									#16
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He should have made it a silent movie. John Williams score + cool sound effects - Lucas dialogue = teh ****...

	21-05-2005 06:22									#17
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JT hates Old Yellow!

	21-05-2005 12:05									#18
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I still want an answer - why is he so short this time around ?

	21-05-2005 12:28									#19
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I thought the dialogue was actually pretty decent all around for this movie. A few love scenes weren't that great, but the rest was definetly good stuff, especially between Anakin & Obi-Wan.

I enjoyed the dialogue in this one. Akin to the first trilogy's dialogue.

As for "youngling", it's Jedi talk. I mean you can't really say "Who'd say that" when you are talking about a fictional group! Who says "May the Force be with you", after all?

	21-05-2005 12:47									#20
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quote: I thought the dialogue was actually pretty decent all around for this movie. A few love scenes weren't that great, but the rest was definetly good stuff, especially between Anakin & Obi-Wan.

No offense, but you're insane.

The only one with good dialogue was Palpatine. The only other one with passable dialogue was Obi-Wan. Even Yoda got stuck with mostly terrible lines, which pains me...

	21-05-2005 13:01									#21
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It seems like most people thought the dialogue was far better in RotS. I thought every part of dialogue was better with the exception of some of the Anakin/Padme scenes.

The only line which people thought wasn't good with Yoda was the line about him being friends with the Wookies. Everything else was pretty good for him.

Also, it seems (according to IMDB), Lucas brought in a dialogue coach, recommended by Francis Ford Coppola.

	21-05-2005 13:07									#22
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Many of Yoda's lines were complete crap. They messed up the syntax on even really short sentences, which just sounds silly. And...

spoiler(highlight to read): Not if anything to say about it, I have.

... is just cheesy.

quote: It seems like most people thought the dialogue was far better in RotS.

Are these the same people who refer to "Star Wars" as "Episode 4"?

	21-05-2005 13:10									#23
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quote: They messed up the syntax on even really short sentences, which just sounds silly.

But Yoda is all about messed up syntax. People would wonder why in the Hell is he talking all normal on those sentances.

quote: Are these the same people who refer to "Star Wars" as "Episode 4"?

You mean most people when talking about the multiple movies in the Star Wars series to distinguish among them?

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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Did you ever watch Old Yellow? About the dog...got rabies and they had to put him down. Dog saved someones life or something so it was really heart breaking. I was just a kid back then and cried, which everyone did, and then threw up, which really set me apart. I hope this post doesn't spoil it for anyone.

Damn you!

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quote: But Yoda is all about messed up syntax. People would wonder why in the Hell is he talking all normal on those sentances.

He didn't garble the syntax on all his sentences in the first trilogy; he only did so when it would come out decent. Listening to him speak in ROTS is like listening to a charicature of what Yoda used to be...

	21-05-2005 13:15									#26
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::shrug::

Yoda's syntax never bothered me and seemed natural for his character, IMO.

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spoiler(highlight to read): Yoda: A prophecy that misread could have been. Obi-Wan: He will not let me down. He never has. Yoda: I hope right, you are.

Aghhh!

	21-05-2005 14:01									#28
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Anyway , what about the height thing ? Isn't Vader too short ?

	21-05-2005 16:08									#29
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1. As for "youngling", it's Jedi talk. --And it's still retarded. And it doesn't explain why Natalie Portman (who for some unknown reason doesn't go get a goddamn ultrasound... ) calls them "younglings" as well. Besides, "May the Force be with you" at least brings in some of their beliefs into it--after all, their lives revolve around it. Whereas, "younglings" just sounds like the Jedi believe children are nothing more than not truly sentient animals or plants: other -lings, are, for instance, zerglings, saplings, triflings... Not only is it borderline disrespectful, it just flat out sounds retarded. It's no different from the annoying habit in BSG/B5 to use the word "frack".

2. Yoda's syntax. In the original trilogy, it was far less predictable than it was in this one. Now it just seems like they're trying too hard.

	21-05-2005 16:20									#30
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Praise the gods, I wasn't the only one that thought "youngling" sounded stupid and distracted a bit from the horror of the slaughter. Even the term "padawan" is better and actually implies something of the relationship between child and jedi instead of just sounding like foreign alien speak.