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Wraith
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Austin, Texas, USA
Aug 1999
time: 23:21
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I was going to post in the other thread, but it seems to be little more than people arguing over Star Wars vs Star Wars: A New Hope. Yeesh.
Anyway.
Vader too short? Maybe he realized later on that height is intimidating and had extensions built into his cybernetic legs? Or maybe he just got platform boots.
--"And it doesn't explain why Natalie Portman calls them "younglings" as well. "
I figured it was a title of rank. Kids adopted into the Jedi order and trained are called younlings until old/skilled enough to apprentice. Who knows. I haven't read many of the books, so it's possible the answer is in there.
Anyway. I didn't expect much of the dialogue going in, so that didn't disappoint me. I was mostly there for the lightsaber battles. My biggest problem with the film is simple. No Boba Fett. How could they do that? If they do the TV series, he better get some good Jedi-hunting time.
Empire Strikes Back is still the best of the films. No real surprise. This one was better than the earlier two in many ways, but not all. Grevious looked as silly as I thought he would from the cartoons. Dooku went down too easily. Heck, so did Grevious. If the cartoon is cannon (only way to explain Grevious being injured at the start of the film), he was taking on five Jedi at a time and winning, so why did Obi Wan take him out so easily? Didn't match up to the menace of Darth Maul (hope he gets his dialogue restored if Lucas ever does a Special Edition DVD), certainly not the original impact of Vader.
Why didn't Obi Wan finish off Anakin, though? I mean, he did like the guy, you'd think he'd give a mercy stroke and not just leave the guy to die of third degree burns.
And the Wookies should have gone down hard, given their brilliant display of lack of tactics. Hey, we're in a trench, and the enemy is charging us so... let's all jump out and run at them? Okay...
Could have done without the attempts at droid army humor, too.
The Death Star construction at the end was somewhat odd. If rumor has it right, A New Hope was sort of a compressed version of the entire second (original, however you prefer it) trilogy, since they didn't know if they'd be able to make the rest. There was originally only one Death Star planned. In which case the decades of construction time make sense, given the scale of the project. But there isn't anywhere near that much time passing between ANH and ROTJ. He's had plenty of time to rework that last scene of ROTS... But why worry about continuity problems now?
Palpatine was definitely the best character in the film. Good acting and decent dialogue, plus some good fights.
Well, the lightsabers are still cool. And that's what's important, right?
Wraith
Nothing screams "poor workmanship" like wrinkles in the duct tape.
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Geronimo
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:21
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Finally. For the first time since I saw RotJ in the 80's the magic was back. It felt like this was the 4th honest to god genuine star wars film ever released coming after a long uninterupted post RotJ gap. *THIS* is how I envisioned a star wars prequel would look and feel. The other two don't even seem to belong in the company of III through VI.
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Geronimo
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:21
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I didn't interpret youngling as just being some sort of 'jedi speak' for "Children" at all. I think it is actually jargon that refers to kids in training to use the force. Not all children are 'younglings' but all 'younglings' are children, IMHO.
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Geronimo
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:21
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Re Kuci congress rant:
"congress" in this case seems to be a verb employed as an adjective rather than "Congress" as a proper noun. Your intense disgust at that phrase is baffling.
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Geronimo
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Wraith
The Death Star construction at the end was somewhat odd. If rumor has it right, A New Hope was sort of a compressed version of the entire second (original, however you prefer it) trilogy, since they didn't know if they'd be able to make the rest. There was originally only one Death Star planned. In which case the decades of construction time make sense, given the scale of the project. But there isn't anywhere near that much time passing between ANH and ROTJ. He's had plenty of time to rework that last scene of ROTS... But why worry about continuity problems now?
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i think the emperor liked his death stars and was building more than one all along. The second was obviously going to be bigger so it wasn't near being ready when the first one was finished. Of course RotJ dialogue clearly suggest that the construction has just recently begun, but perhaps that was just what the rebellion intell believed.
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Sandman
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Sinister Penguin
Aug 2001
time: 05:21
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Good film.
I liked:
The acting was generally non-clunky. Obi-Wan and the Emperor were both good, and Anakin was mostly convincing. Padme had little to do, though.
The special effects were blistering, as to be expected.
Most of the action sequences were pretty good. Some of them were great, including the final showdowns.
Palpatine's constant temptation of Anakin with tales of the Dark Side was very cool, especially the theatre scene. At times it was like, well, KOTOR.
Yoda was cool, damn it.
Order 66 was nicely done. The little Jedi kid that almost escapes...
I was ambivalent towards:
The opening space battle was a bit dull. It was nice to see Anakin and Obi-Wan flying together, and there were no stupid aliens or moppets. But, the battle was cluttered and confusing, and the actual outcome was ignored. There was a lack of stirring battle music, as well. Grievous' ship was a dull box... not Star Warsy.
Gripes:
General Grievous and Kashykk were totally irrelevent to the plot and could have been disposed of (keep Count Dooku alive longer to compensate). Obi-Wan's plan to attack Grievous seemed a bit.. crazy. That lizard was jarring as well.
"NOOOOOOO!"
A distinct lack of the Imperial March.
Jedi idiocy. So, you learn that the increasingly autocratic ruler of the galaxy is definitely a Sith Lord (you've suspected something was up). Why not go and arrest him.. without warning every Jedi and not readying defenses at your base?
Palpatine's shredding of two or three Jedi masters in a matter of seconds was somewhat... unlikely. I see him as the sort to summon hundreds of clones to fight.. maybe after pretending to come quietly.
Whether Dagobah has any significance is never revealed. In ESB, Luke muses that he feels like he's been here before... nope, guess you weren't. I thought they'd hide there for a while or something.
Gripes about other people's gripes:
Kwik-turnin' Anakin. He wasn't spouting the code of the Jedi to Mace because he believed in it, he was trying to keep Palpatine alive, and also testing Mace. If Mace was prepared to break the Jedi code, then in Anakin's eyes they were no better than the Sith.
The slow speed of the Death Star's construction. Maybe they simply built it quite quickly, but didn't activate it until episode IV. The Emperor does like to play the long game, after all.
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Imran Siddiqui
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The Potterverse
Jan 1970
time: 00:21
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As for "youngling", it's Jedi talk. --And it's still retarded |
:shrug: It never bothered me. They aren't just children, they are future Jedi, so they needed some different name.
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Even the term "padawan" is better |
No, padawan is an apprentice. The younglings don't have a specific master and thus the term is inappropriate.
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Why didn't Obi Wan finish off Anakin, though? I mean, he did like the guy, you'd think he'd give a mercy stroke and not just leave the guy to die of third degree burns. |
It wasn't so much about mercy, but 'true' Jedi aren't supposed to strike down defensless people, even for mercy sake (from what I got from it). That contrasts to Anakin killing Dooku and Windu attempting to strike at Palpatine.
Killing for mercy is letting emotions rule you.
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n which case the decades of construction time make sense, given the scale of the project. But there isn't anywhere near that much time passing between ANH and ROTJ. |
Well, they've built a prototype.
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Also it was completely unecessary to show how Palpatine turned into the Palpatine looking of the old episodes. |
I think people would wonder. That's far more than aging  . And it also shows Palpy as weak, making Anakin feel for pity.
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Anakin's conversion was weak. Just fifteen seconds ago he had said "don't kill him! it's against the jedi code!" and then he say "yes, master, I will be your sith and kill all the little kiddies." WTF? |
As I said in the other thread, it proved to Anakin that Palpatine was right that the Jedi were just in it for power and not for 'good'. Anakin felt bad about killing defenseless Dooku and Windu didn't even seem to struggle. It proved to Anakin that it was all about power and Palpatine could save Padme.. so...
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My biggest problem with the film is simple. No Boba Fett. |
Boba would have been 13-14 or something at the time of the films. Probably too young for a bounty hunter.
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21-05-2005 20:31
. I was at least hoping they'd have it at the end... c'est la vie!
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