23-05-2005 19:20									#61
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I don'k know how many will have seen this , but I found this quite funny .

	23-05-2005 21:51									#62
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Why, in the name of the Senate, did George Lucas think it was a good idea to spend 40 minutes on the actions of the boring General Grievous, but only 10 seconds in turning Annikin Skywalker into Darth Vader? Inexplicable.

The opening sequence would have been a lot better with less R2-D2, less exciting elevator action and with a nice Star Wars style wipe to close out the scene right after Skywalker releases Palpatine from captivity. Ditch Grievous and get rid of the cliched, boring crash scene. Just cut right to Annikin getting a medal from the Chancellor.

If you are going to put 5 saber duels in your picture, could you let us see some of them? Why make everything a close-up that prevents you from seeing the swordplay?

McDirmid and McGregor, good. Others, so-so.

	23-05-2005 21:58									#63
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quote: And WTF did Palpatine keep throwing the lightning at Windu even though Windu was reflecting it back at him ? Couldn't he have waited , let Windu raise his saber , and them stuck him while the lightsaber was up and could not protect him ?

Um... the whole point was to turn Anakin. He could have beaten Windu easily if he wanted, but he needed that apprentice.

quote: if he was that good , how come he couldn't take out Windu ?

Look above... though I think part of that is that Windu brought the red shirt Jedi's to arrest Palpatine by mistake .

	23-05-2005 22:13									#64
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Sith are supposed to be self-serving . How does risking your life just so that you may get an apprentince self-serving ? It sounds suspiciously like thay are serving the dark side , and not themselves ( like the Jedi serve the lidht side , and not themselves ) . It seems too . . . . . . . . . selfless .

And why not take a strike force of many many Jedi , so that there is no chance that Plapatine could escape ? Sith Lords are supposed to be very powerful , so why take chances ?

	23-05-2005 22:17									#65
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quote: Sith are supposed to be self-serving . How does risking your life just so that you may get an apprentince self-serving ?

Are you kidding me? Did you see the movie? What happens after Anakin cuts off Windu's arm? It seemed to me that any 'risking his life' Palpatine did was a ruse. He was absolutely fine after Anakin turned and showed absolute no ill effects.

I didn't see him start limping or showing any pain afterwards.

quote: And why not take a strike force of many many Jedi , so that there is no chance that Plapatine could escape ? Sith Lords are supposed to be very powerful , so why take chances ?

By this time the Jedi are very arrogant and don't think they need more than 4 or 5. Also Palpatine is the strongest Sith Lord in years and they had no idea.

	23-05-2005 22:28									#66
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How would he have saved himself had Anakin not cut off Windu's arm ?

	23-05-2005 22:32									#67
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The whole Grievous thing is part of the clone wars... you need to watch the cartoons that are called "clone wars"..
They end right where ROTS starts.

Still I think I would have made the story totally different... I don't know anymore but I had this wonderful idea about a good story right after I woke up today... now I can't remember anymore... ****

	23-05-2005 22:52									#68
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quote: Originally posted by aneeshm How would he have saved himself had Anakin not cut off Windu's arm ?

Probably aimed the force lightening somewhere else? Or taken a page from future Vader's playbook and thrown stuff at Windu?

The fact was that Palpatine showed absolutely NO ill effects from the battle and gained his apprentice. That was his end goal. He got the most powerful Jedi and could begin his take over.

	23-05-2005 23:00									#69
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They could have come up with a better term than younglings. My other real complaint was that Grievous was just a goofy loser, but then, I didn't really expect much out of him. Christiansen was much better than in the last one, though not great by any stretch.

The Death Star thing didn't bother me, since a first-ever project of that size is going to be beset with little gotcha's and quirks that cost a lot of time, not to mention the revelation after the fact of many ways to streamline the process. The second time around would go much quicker. Plus, I agree with whoever said Palpatine would have already had it underway.

Did anybody else find Palpatine's incessant cackling to be a bit distracting and cartoonish?

All in all, not bad, but far from perfect.

Oh, and Lancer... it's OLD YELLER, dammit.

	23-05-2005 23:11									#70
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Oh, with regards to Grievous, I recommend watching the Clone Wars cartoon. He's quite a badass in those. Obi-Wan comes out to be a great lightsaber warrior in the battle with Grievous if you saw what he is able to do in the cartoon.

quote: The Death Star thing didn't bother me, since a first-ever project of that size is going to be beset with little gotcha's and quirks that cost a lot of time, not to mention the revelation after the fact of many ways to streamline the process. The second time around would go much quicker.

Exactly. The first model ALWAYS takes longer due to unforseen things.

Though the best part of that scene was a young Grand Moff Tarkin on the bridge. That guy looked incredibly like a young Cushing.

	23-05-2005 23:25									#71
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quote: Though the best part of that scene was a young Grand Moff Tarkin on the bridge. That guy looked incredibly like a young Cushing.

Agree completely. My first thought was, "Damn, Cushing looks young!"

Grievous had the worst line of the whole movie, too: "You fool! Count Dooku has..." The way they yo-yoed him from supposed badass to lost minion, unable to continue, or even envision continuing, without Dooku was pathetic.

While they did ramp Obi-Wan's stature and skill up greatly from the first two, in what seemed a little like an "Uh oh, we've only got one movie left to turn him into the great Ben Kenobi" panic, I've always been under the impression that to properly wield a lightsaber required a good bit of help from the Force. Not that accomplished swordsmen couldn't do as well with it as other blades, but that because of the Force aspect, a good Jedi would be head and shoulders above the best swordsman with it. In that light, I expected Kenobi to outduel Grievous, since we never have any indication that Grievous is force-sensitive.

Oh, I forgot to mention the best part of the entire movie... Jar Jar is seen but never heard.

	23-05-2005 23:27									#72
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OK. I saw it. 27 years after my Dad took me to see the first one.

Unquestionably the best of the last three films, which exposes what was wrong with them. There really wasn't enough material to make three films, and ROTS was crap for the first half. The second half saved it.

Terrible dialogue for much of the film. Also the desire to have "incredible" stunts makes it look a bit silly. They should have stuck with the level of stunts in the original three films.

All New Zealanders will be guffawing throughout the whole movie at the millions of Temuera Morrison Stormtroopers. The Maoris get a big kick out of taking over the galaxy.

But worth ten dollars.

	23-05-2005 23:30									#73
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Oh, and since ROTS was not the miracle some people had hoped, LOTR clearly retains the mantle of the greatest scfi-fantasy epic ever filmed.

If Lucas does do episodes VII-IX, he should get Peter Jackson to film them.

	23-05-2005 23:49									#74
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I saw it a couple of hours ago, and it's starting to sink in a little now. It's a lot of story and action to take in, I think. My initial reaction is that I think it was overly "violent" (bad choice of word, but it's the best I have; I would like it to be taken in the meaning of dramatic/vehement - I think it comes on much too strong for my tastes). And I certainly wouldn't send an 11-year old to see it, as was the age limit it got here. No 11 year old should watch this movie, not unaccompanied anyway.

Also IMO some of the fighting scenes dragged on too long, especially towards the end. Nothing much seemed to happen in those scenes beyond endless sword fighting. Why did they have to last for 5 minutes each time.

My biggest beef with consistency/credibility is that Padme dies immediately after the twins are born. I distincly remember from Ep. VI RotJ that Luke asks Leia if she has any memories of her mother, her real mother, and Leia says something like "she was beautiful and very caring, but I don't remember much else, she died when I was very young". That just doesn't add up.

It still was an impressive movie, I'll agree to that, and of course a must-see if you're into Star Wars, but I'm still left with the overall feeling of it being little more than the necessary "filler" episode.

	23-05-2005 23:50									#75
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Winston, Care Bears The Movie would be too violent for you

	24-05-2005 01:45									#76
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quote: LOTR clearly retains the mantle of the greatest scfi-fantasy epic ever filmed.

Depends what you mean by 'greatest'. Star Wars was always meant to be a cheesy homage to the space opera serials of the 1930s and 40s. So knocking it for bad dialogue and cheese (lo and behold where in the first three) doesn't really move Star Wars up or down.

quote: My biggest beef with consistency/credibility is that Padme dies immediately after the twins are born. I distincly remember from Ep. VI RotJ that Luke asks Leia if she has any memories of her mother, her real mother, and Leia says something like "she was beautiful and very caring, but I don't remember much else, she died when I was very young". That just doesn't add up.

She was force sensitive remember. Though Luke was as well and doesn't remember. There are a few theories... Leia was 'with' Padme longer because she was second born. There is also a theory that father-son and mother-daughter have stronger force bond than the opposite.

	24-05-2005 02:10									#77
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Or that Lucas just had some crappy, inconsistent writing...

	24-05-2005 02:11									#78
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Well, everyone (and I mean everyone) was wondering how Lucas would do the whole Leia knew more about her mother thing. I'm sure Lucas knew those concerns.

	24-05-2005 02:11									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Exactly. The first model ALWAYS takes longer due to unforseen things. Though the best part of that scene was a young Grand Moff Tarkin on the bridge. That guy looked incredibly like a young Cushing.

There's no reason to be building a Death Star at that point. There's not even a Rebellion.

	24-05-2005 02:13									#80
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He's probably constructing it so he can dissolve the senate...no planet is going to rebel once it knows it is going to get blown into tiny little pieces

	24-05-2005 02:14									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker There's no reason to be building a Death Star at that point. There's not even a Rebellion.

Have you forgotten that whole look into the future thing?

Oh, as for the Rebellion... the formation was one of the things that was cut for the theatrical release.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well, everyone (and I mean everyone) was wondering how Lucas would do the whole Leia knew more about her mother thing. I'm sure Lucas knew those concerns.

... and I'm sure he didn't care.

	24-05-2005 02:14									#83
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He has had the plans for it since the last movie. He wants to build it to take over the parts of the galaxy the Republic/Empire doesn't already control.

	24-05-2005 02:15									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker ... and I'm sure he didn't care.

And yet he cared about concerns about how C3PO didn't know anything in the original trilogy? He knew those concerns and tried to fix them.

	24-05-2005 02:16									#85
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quote: Originally posted by pchang He has had the plans for it since the last movie. He wants to build it to take over the parts of the galaxy the Republic/Empire doesn't already control.

That's right. I forgot that we saw Death Star schematics that Dooku took with him when the Jedi came to Genoisis (sp?)

	24-05-2005 02:26									#86
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What do you guys think of the "you are the chosen one" monologue. I think it was pretty good

	24-05-2005 02:44									#87
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Best part of the movies... I think it elevated McGregor to the best actor in the series (over Ford).

	24-05-2005 03:09									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well, everyone (and I mean everyone) was wondering how Lucas would do the whole Leia knew more about her mother thing. I'm sure Lucas knew those concerns.

Let's see if I can take a stab at it...

Padme gives birth. The twins are separated, leaving Padme with a choice - go with the boy to Tatooine or the girl to Alderaan. She chooses the girl, hiding out under the Senator's care.

Then, two-three years later, she dies. The Senator adopts.

OMG, it's teh consistancy!

Your explanation, btw, is pure shiite. 100% Grade-A.

	24-05-2005 03:16									#89
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Then she doesn't die in childbirth. The entire vision is what's inconsistent.

	24-05-2005 03:18									#90
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And I ask again:

What sort of craptastic mother decides that she has nothing to live for while she's giving birth. Stupid bint - kids are better off without her slack, whiny ass.