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Az is offline Az
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050519/323/fjdun.html

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China hires 'cyber-agents' to control public opinion on the Internet

BEIJING (AFP) - The Chinese government has started using "cyber-agents" to spread positive political messages on the Internet and better control public opinion, state media reported.
Several cities have set up special "online propaganda troops" who pose as ordinary Internet users in chatrooms and other cyber-forums as they spread favorable spin for the government, the Southern Weekend newspaper said.
One example is Suqian city in eastern Jiangsu province, which set up its own 26-member propaganda force late last month, recruiting mainly among officials with previous experience in public relations, according to the paper.

"Chatrooms are centers for public sentiment," said Lu Ruchao, a member of the newly established force. "It's very worthwhile for opinion workers to pay attention to these places."

The paper cited an example of how the force works in practice, saying it might react to, say, online criticism of the police force by posting positive views on the law enforcers.

"The police is working under the threat of knives and guns, so how can people criticize them," said Lu. "Of course we should step in and turn around public opinion on this issue."

Suqian is by no means the only place where such online propaganda warriors have been put to work.

The paper said that in Jiangsu province alone, the cities of Nanjing and Wuxi had set up similar groups already last year.

And by the end of 2004, a total of 127 officials from all parts of China had received special training in Beijing on how to form and steer public opinion on the Internet, according to the paper.

The report may indicate a new chapter has opened in the Chinese government's protracted struggle to come to terms with the Internet.

The country is estimated to have a total of about 100 million Internet users, meaning an unprecedented number now has access to a relatively free and unrestricted exchange of news and opinions.

Although the government has closed down thousands of cyber-cafes, it has realized that choking the Internet is not the answer, since access to online content also has huge advantages in terms of giving people technical skills.

Instead officials are resorting to ever more sophisticated methods of controlling the Internet in subtle but powerful ways, as the establishment of the online propaganda teams suggests.



Goddamn it....

then again, makes you wonder how come noone else has employed these methods previously... or maybe they have?

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Several cities have set up special "online propaganda troops" who pose as ordinary Internet users in chatrooms and other cyber-forums as they spread favorable spin for the government, the Southern Weekend newspaper said.


Some of them even manage to become moderators of cyber-forums.

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Gee, I wonder who this could be on our forum.

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It's Ned.

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Gee, I wonder who this could be on our forum.

Yeah UR, stop posting here and get back to work

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UR is rather unusually defensive of China, but I doubt he would paint the rosy picture a "chatroom thought police" trooper would. China definitely still has the human rights problems, the Party corruption, sanitation, labor issues, need for an improvement in the standard of living, and need to fix the fact that everyone beyond the cities are still 13th century peasants.

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It's funny, the other day I wondered if UR was being careful because he fears he could be monitored, though I never thought he could be an agent himself.

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Very sorry, must inform. Propaganda text coming from mrmitchell is conspiracy against People's Republic.

Also, Chinese police and other people work very hard under threat of guns and knives, so criticize Chinese people is negative capitalist ploy, do not believe!

PS: Peasant people say "we agree!"

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UR is rather unusually defensive of China


I think he's quite reasonable given the virulent Sinophobia of some posters here. I can't understand what the fuss is about myself.

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Gee, I wonder who this could be on our forum.

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UR is rather unusually defensive of China


I think he's quite reasonable given the virulent Sinophobia of some posters here. I can't understand what the fuss is about myself.


The Chinese government sends North Korean refugees back to the North to face death or imprisonment instead of forwarding them to South Korea or America. This is evil.

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That doesn't mean that all Chinese are evil or that the Chinese government is planning world domination.

Besides - you're American. Your country has a secret plane that is used to transport prisoners to countries where they can be legally tortured.

He who lives in glass houses....

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That doesn't mean that all Chinese are evil or that the Chinese government is planning world domination.

Strawman.


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Besides - you're American. Your country has a secret plane that is used to transport prisoners to countries where they can be legally tortured.

Of course, I should just shut up when any other country ever does anything wrong. Yes that's moral and progressive

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As if I was referring to you, and not to the countless Sinophobics on this board.

It's primarily an American disease, and hence of no importance to the world at large.

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As if I was referring to you, and not to the countless Sinophobics on this board.

It's primarily an American disease, and hence of no importance to the world at large.

You really think that there are "countless" people on this board that think that all Chinese are evil and bent on world conquest?

Very silly strawman.

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You really think that there are "countless" people on this board that think that all Chinese are evil and bent on world conquest


You want to count them?

Ned for starters.

Go look back a few weeks ago for some of the anti-Chinese threads.

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How much did the PRC pay to make UR a mod here?

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It's been done before... myabe not China. I don't see how this is really any different than astroturfing.

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You really think that there are "countless" people on this board that think that all Chinese are evil and bent on world conquest


You want to count them?

Ned for starters.

Go look back a few weeks ago for some of the anti-Chinese threads.


If Ned were the only case you might have a point. But UR and a certain other poster are quick to vehemently defend even the slightest criticism about China while also propping it up in often biased and racist ways. And China doesn't even get it as bad as America, yet those who defend America as irrationally UR and that other guy do China have become the punching bags of the forum. Fez won't even post here anymore.

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If Ned were the only case you might have a point. But UR and a certain other poster are quick to vehemently defend even the slightest criticism about China while also propping it up in often biased and racist ways.


Meanwhile, DaShi here has been silent on virtually all threads critical of the US, while quite verbal in criticising the PRC.

Interesting.

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It's been done before... myabe not China. I don't see how this is really any different than astroturfing.


Exactly.

Show me a country that doesn't have a state propaganda unit. Maybe Lower Elbonia...

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Meanwhile, DaShi here has been silent on virtually all threads critical of the US, while quite verbal in criticising the PRC.

Interesting.


Maybe cuz the PRC deserves it more than the US?

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The Chinese government sends North Korean refugees back to the North to face death or imprisonment instead of forwarding them to South Korea or America. This is evil.


While you think it's a bad idea to try talking with Dear Leader to get DPRK open up more.

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Maybe cuz the PRC deserves it more than the US?


There is one country in this world that has involved in 70+ foreign interventions since WWII to protect its interests dispite all the lip services paid to human rights and such. The country is not the PRC.

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There is one country in this world that's killed off millions of its citizens in order to support its ideology. The country is not the US.

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How much do you get paid UR?

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Exactly.

Show me a country that doesn't have a state propaganda unit. Maybe Lower Elbonia...



Of coure, here it is Fox News, which unlike this Chinese monkey business, is blatantly obvious to everyone except the dumb schmucks that watch it.

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Aha! UR closes my spam threads because I'm pro American! I knew it!

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While you think it's a bad idea to try talking with Dear Leader to get DPRK open up more.

When did I ever say that
Nice dodge there by the way.

 
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