08-06-2005 15:16									#91
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Game On...

life is strange enough...

	08-06-2005 15:17									#92
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Thanks Modo. That clears everthing up. I'm not requesting a restart.

Just waiting on Ljube's email...

	08-06-2005 16:44									#93
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ljcvetko at eunet dot yu

	08-06-2005 18:48									#94
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thanks.

June 1914 to Ljube

	09-06-2005 01:59									#95
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Shogun, I highly recommend opening up the editor, and not the encylopedia. The encylopedia is full of mismatches.

Also going into a potential 9 turn anarchy for non religious civs isn't particularly recommended.

quote: Originally posted by Shogun Gunner Okay, that works. Thanks Modo. A few questions, any governments (except Fascism) can be switched to immediately, correct? For example, Austria-Hungary can switch to Parliamentarism or Presidential, right? I assume the civ traits for Austria are what is listed in the Civlopedia...which is commercial and seafaring...and the Dromon is my UU Save to Ljube...once I get your email addy....

	09-06-2005 02:05									#96
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Going by the editor, the Ottomen Empire in this conquest is Agricultural and Religious instead of Industrial and Relgious.

Germany is Industrious, Militarious, Agricultural, and Commerical.
Germany is probably the only one which looks to have a proper GA unit, athough that's kind of a disadvantage in that the German UU is adviable much later than others. Most civs can in fact build their GA unit on turn 1 and then arrange to attack a redlined unit with it shortly thereafter since their unit is so ancient.

quote: Originally posted by Modo44 You can switch with the usual Anarchy. As can everyone. Austria-Hungary is Militaristic and Agricultural. I think only the Ottomen and Spain have their original traits, with main powers being somewhat strenghtened. The civilopedia is not updated, so you have to open the scenario in the editor to see what is what. But I think you are right about the UU not being the correct one. Looks like more civs have the problem. Britain and Austria-Hungary have armoured vehicles that should probably start a Golden Age, but they lack the ability. However, Spain and Serbia have no good UUs to connect to the event generating a Golden Age. I could change that, but it would require a restart.

	09-06-2005 02:34									#97
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You are right about the land UUs. But scoring a win with a Dromon or a Man-O-War will be really tough...

	09-06-2005 02:48									#98
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June 1914 to Modo. My unique unit is that stupid inca scout.

I doubt I'll be killing anything with one of those.

And my stupid ancient wonders have all expired.

	09-06-2005 03:08									#99
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Maybe we will have to restart anyway. I could not move any of my units. This was supposed to happen, but only on the first turn. Perhaps there must be one civ without the "surprised" flag for it to work correctly. Perhaps we found yet another C3C bug. The hard way, of course...

If Grandpa Troll will be unable to move his units, I guess some editing will happen, and we will have start again. If that is the case, I will consider addressing the UU problems as well.

Anyway, save sent, and waiting to hear from Grandpa Troll whether his units can move.

	09-06-2005 03:16									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Maybe we will have to restart anyway. I could not move any of my units. This was supposed to happen, but only on the first turn. Perhaps there must be one civ without the "surprised" flag for it to work correctly. Perhaps we found yet another C3C bug. The hard way, of course... If Grandpa Troll will be unable to move his units, I guess some editing will happen, and we will have start again. If that is the case, I will consider addressing the UU problems as well. Anyway, save sent, and waiting to hear from Grandpa Troll whether his units can move.

ya know this suxors

I cant move any units
with all I have going and the amount of time invested in trying to get this going
I have all that time to work and well

I cant move any units now

makes me wonder what exactly has been tweaked and what hasnt

wait

at the rate this one has taen in 6-10 weeks I should only have to play 1 or 2 turns anyway



turn (if ya can call it that)
sent to masoro

	09-06-2005 03:22									#101
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OK, time to restart and play test. Modo, tweak the game tomorrow, start it again with only you and me and let's test it before we start it next time.

	09-06-2005 03:22									#102
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Crap.

It seems it does need more editing, and no, I can not do it by changing the save (or I do not know the right tools). So sorry. I understand if anyone feels this is too tedious, and wants to leave.

So, we officially need to restart the game. And, to agree what units Spain, Britain and Serbia get as their UUs. Any ideas?

Anyway, it is late, so good night (or good morning, or whatever ).

	09-06-2005 05:31									#103
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Modo, I'll stick with this while the bugs are identified and worked out.

Please consider an appropriate UU for Austria-Hungary as well.

Thanks for your work on this PBEM.

	09-06-2005 05:33									#104
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Are we stopping the game until the bugs are worked out? I have the save now; should I just erase it?

	09-06-2005 05:37									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Masuro Are we stopping the game until the bugs are worked out? I have the save now; should I just erase it?

yes

you cant move units so we are all, including me, waiting for the bugs to get worked out.

A little testing will be performed between Modo and Ljube and once it looks fine, game will continue

Gramps

	09-06-2005 12:05									#106
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Sent the test save to Ljube.

I added the GA flag to the apropriate armoured units for France, Britain, and Austria-Hungary. France and Britain have special Tanks, while Austria-Hungary has an Armoured Car (that means different techs are required).

Any ides on what units to add/use as GA-starters for Spain and Serbia? I was thinking about copying the standard Cavalry, and giving them that.

	09-06-2005 12:14									#107
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Hmmm thought I already had Cav in Spain...

	09-06-2005 12:29									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot Hmmm thought I already had Cav in Spain...

You do. I was thinking about making an additional Cavalry unit for your civ, one that would be there just for the purpose of allowing you and easy GA. Or do you really want to do that with Conquistadors?

	09-06-2005 12:38									#109
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hahaha, good point

	09-06-2005 19:43									#110
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Conquistadors are the best unique unit of all. The only drawback is that they cost 70 shields, but I'd say it's worth it. So Pady needs no additional UU.

As for Serbs, I was thinking about a historical unique unit. Serbian artillery proved to be particularly lethal for any opponent in WWI due to the highly trained and disciplined crews, flexible organisation in small batteries (manoeuvrability) and resourcefulness in using the shells of different calibres! Therefore I suggest you make a special Serbian artillery unit called Serbian Battery which would be cheaper than normal artillery, will have greater accuracy and lethal land bombardment.


June 1914 test sent to Modo.

	10-06-2005 00:00									#111
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The save is not here. Please send again.

Paddy gets a special Cavalry, and Ljube gets Artillery. But if I am going to give the Artillery Lethal Bombard, I will also reduce its attack strength a bit.

	10-06-2005 00:07									#112
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No reduction. And cheaper than other artillery units to reflect it's smaller size. And lethal is to reflect it's effectiveness in battle of Cer and battle of Kolubara.

Save resent.

	10-06-2005 00:21									#113
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Also, the ottomans are the only religious civ so they are the only civ which can switch to republic on the first turn, which is unfair. I suggest you give them some other trait, pick 2 from militaristic, agricultural and industrial.

	10-06-2005 00:31									#114
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I cannot move my units still. Why is that?

Could you please include my artillery UU before we restart?

	10-06-2005 00:33									#115
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Alright, I guess we just drop the stupid flag. I have no clue why it would not work. I guess nobody will attack on the first turn anyway, right?

You do not get cheaper units with better stats. Either cheaper or better stats. Since you need Lethal bombard to get a GA, it is going to be standard cost, standard Artillery with Lethal Bombard and GA-starting.

Paddy, what about that Cavalry? Or is it Conquistador?

	10-06-2005 00:33									#116
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perhaps since I am a sad sack of a player



you could give me say a privateer with oh 3X HP and maybe 2X movement

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	10-06-2005 00:37									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll perhaps since I am a sad sack of a player you could give me say a privateer with oh 3X HP and maybe 2X movement

Well, I could, but Russia already has a great UU. You can build the Cossack, right? You know, that better version of Cavalry? Win a battle and your GA will start.

	10-06-2005 00:39									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 You do not get cheaper units with better stats. Either cheaper or better stats. Since you need Lethal bombard to get a GA, it is going to be standard cost, standard Artillery with Lethal Bombard and GA-starting.

Bah! What about Ansar Warrior? Cheaper unit with better stats. Give me normal artillery that costs 70 and with lethal bombardment. Is this to much to ask?

	10-06-2005 00:42									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Well, I could, but Russia already has a great UU. You can build the Cossack, right? You know, that better version of Cavalry? Win a battle and your GA will start.

Thanks like a modern day F Troop

	10-06-2005 00:46									#120
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Bah, the Ansar is just the exception that proves the rule.

By the way, I just rememberred to allow Cannons to be upgraded to that Serbian wunderwaffe.