26-05-2005 16:01									#61
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quote: Don't you think it's a shame a country with such a fine history no longer has any decent educational establishments and you have to ship your brightest overseas to get properly educated?

Thell that to our government who want to reduce the inductees in our universities.

	26-05-2005 16:33									#62
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they ugly

	26-05-2005 16:45									#63
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yeah there seem to be a lot of greek students coming over here. there's a few birds on my course, most of them, as you might except, are ugly as sin, but i did manage to nob one of the hotties.

	26-05-2005 18:05									#64
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quote: Originally posted by C0ckney yeah there seem to be a lot of greek students coming over here.

They are the ones who didnt manage to enter greek universities. basically you get all our crap
disclaimer: some of them do study hard, most are just eating up daddy's fortune (whose ambition after they failed greek exams is most of the time what made them go there)

	26-05-2005 18:13									#65
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quote: Originally posted by axi Thell that to our government who want to reduce the inductees in our universities.

and maby they should be reduced. look at all those unemployeed doctors and lawyers. greek parents value education above all else and that's fine but it can become a problem sometimes.

i remember when i was living in belgium the dad of one of our acquintances was saying with a big smile in his face that his sone has just finished studying to become a sweets baker (zaxaroplastis!). and he didnt feel ashamed of that, on the contrary he was happy because that was what his son wanted to be. try tell that to the average parent here that his son or daughter will not be a doctor or a lwayer or go to university and they'll consider that a "failure" not to say a minor catastrophy.

i'm just saying another point of view , i dont have a definite point on this.

	26-05-2005 18:33									#66
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG pretty good. do you work and hear the birds singing from the trees next to your office? i do!

Do they come and perch on your goats?

	26-05-2005 18:34									#67
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when I went to the great museums in Europe they seemed like the warehouses of thieves

	26-05-2005 18:37									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: What about all the Egyptian artifacts? ...and that is a question to be decided by UNESCO or some other impartial organization.

Hahhhhhahhhhhahhhhahhhhaaa !!!!!



You've said some truly funny things, but that's peachy.

	26-05-2005 18:42									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse when I went to the great museums in Europe they seemed like the warehouses of thieves

Great, isn't it? If you paid to get in, does that make you an accomplice?

	26-05-2005 18:46									#70
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I did have this odd feeling of complicity with something naughty but also incredibly brazen, like "lets not hide the fact we nicked all this stuff and maybe we can keep it".

	26-05-2005 18:46									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse when I went to the great museums in Europe they seemed like the warehouses of thieves

if we like it or not that is how europa became so powerfull...stealing, warmongering and repression...

the americans just perfected it so that is why they are the most powerfull now...

kinda the same way as all 'roman' inventions were already discovered by other civilizations but the Roman empire just 'romanized' it (bigger and better)

	26-05-2005 18:49									#72
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quote: the americans just perfected it so that is why they are the most powerfull now...

You won't find many stolen items in the Smithsonian. We've always been a bit cleverer about how we handle things...

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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword the americans just perfected it so that is why they are the most powerfull now...

damn do i have to quote myself now?

	26-05-2005 18:54									#74
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But we didn't perfect "stealing, warmongering and repression." We were clever enough to find a new way and we're on top because of it.

	26-05-2005 18:59									#75
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the one time i compliment americans and still they cant agree with me...

if at first you rob a bank by shooting everbody and taking the money

and afterward hack in and do it in such a way nobody will ever find out you still prefected the art of bankrobbery

	26-05-2005 19:00									#76
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they're so used to be spit upon that when they hear a compliment they cant recognize it

	26-05-2005 19:04									#77
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG what does the actions of an occupying force (the turks) have to do with anything?

Athens wasn't occupied. The Greeks revolted against the Venetians to get the Ottomans back. Unfortunately for the Greeks, the Venetians marched three quarters of the city off at gunpoint. You should be a lot more grateful to your saviors.

	26-05-2005 19:04									#78
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quote: the one time i compliment americans and still they cant agree with me...

That was supposed to be a compliment?!

	26-05-2005 19:06									#79
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if you perfect something (what ever it is) for that something it is a step forward...thus can be seen as a compliment if someone prefected something

	26-05-2005 19:08									#80
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I doubt anyone considers perfecting stealing, warmongering and repression to be a good thing, so your claim that it was a compliment is rather silly...

	26-05-2005 19:11									#81
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according to americans all euro people all atleast silly most of the time worse so i dont really feel that your post has any effect on me.

	26-05-2005 19:11									#82
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There's been a movement in Australia to return culturally significant artefacts and human remains to aboriginal people for some time now.

Taking some of the artefacts was quite a deliberate form of cultural genocide.

Some of the objects are so sacred to aboriginal tribes they can't even tell anyone what they are.

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	26-05-2005 19:16									#83
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The Greeks revolted against the Venetians to get the Ottomans back.

what are you drinking when you read history books and why dont you share it with us?

	26-05-2005 19:18									#84
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the thing with the sculptures of parthenon bascially started in 1980's (not since the 19th century as the article says) with melina mercouri (never on a sunday?) and it has built up ever since. it's recent.

so the article has errors. that is why I dont know if i should trust what it says about the british museum having a law that specifically prohibits it from returning anything (it will be left with nothing, i understand).

but it would be interesting to know if indeed there is such a law.
now that i think about it it might be.
because there was a close negotiation for a "loan" of the sculptures (which is not "giving") from the british musem to athens.

	26-05-2005 19:22									#85
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we should have them on a short-term loan, 100 years or so will be fine

	26-05-2005 19:31									#86
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how about we just keep them on display, you're welcome to come and look at them any time you like.

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that's too easy

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that's ok, we don't mind.

	26-05-2005 19:41									#90
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG we should have them on a short-term loan, 100 years or so will be fine

You'll only crush them up and build goat sheds with them or stick them in a dung heap.


" In 1801 the Cambridge professor E. D. Clarke visited the village of Eleusis near Athens, once the site of an important sanctuary dedicated to Demeter, the Greek goddess of corn and fertility. He observed this statue “in the midst of a heap of dung, buried as high as the neck,” and went on to explain that “the inhabitants of the village still regard [it] with a very high degree of veneration. They attributed to its presence the fertility of the land, and it was for this reason that they heaped around it the manure intended for their fields.” "

http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/pha...-GR.1.1865.html


Of course dung heaps have an ancient noble history in Greece:

" As Odysseus was returning to his house he was recognised by his old dog Argos lying by the front door in the deep dung of mules and kine, whereof an ample bed was spread before the doors, till the thralls of Odysseus should carry it away to dung therewith his wide demesne. " (Book XVII)

The King of Ithaca had a compost pile by his front door. The maids in the house probably made it a daily ritual to add all waste to this pile. "

http://www.fjkluth.com/daily.html