26-05-2005 17:26									#31
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It's from the torygraph.

	26-05-2005 17:36									#32
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH I bet any money that story is bullsh1t. Was it in the Sun?

think it was the times, but if you say it's false then it must be!

	26-05-2005 17:39									#33
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Spiffor: Sorry, I meant C0ckney's story not the one this thread is about.

I suspect that story is very much like what LazGimp said about this story, it requires some reading between the lines and press sensationalism. Have you got a link to the story?

	26-05-2005 17:43									#34
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nah, i read it a couple of months ago in the paper, not on-line.

	26-05-2005 18:24									#35
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quote: Then they applied for support from the National Lottery and went successfully through all the rounds bar one, falling at the final hurdle. They were 'disqualified' because - wait for it - there was not sufficient "ethnic community mix" in the village.

You're all missing the point.

It's not PC run amok, it's a NIMBY law. Rich White flight conclaves allow such a silly distinction to exist as it gives them protection from having to support and live around the sort of people that are unable to afford parks and football fields on their own.

	26-05-2005 18:29									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Is it bad form to say "you're too rich, no charity for you" in Britain?

Not as such- it's just easier to fall back on the stated objectives of lottery grants. Which are objectives, not barriers, despite what the Torygraph would suggest.

	26-05-2005 18:29									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Is it bad form to say "you're too rich, no charity for you" in Britain?

No- that's called tax breaks for the superwealthy. A policy very popular with Conservatives.

" But far from redistributing land, successive British governments have reinforced this inequality by subsidising the richest landowners in the country. For example, a recent New Statesman investigation found that the multi-billionaire Duke of Westminster - who has done nothing to earn his wealth - is entitled to £9.2m in subsidies each year from you, the taxpayer. Kevin Cahill, the author of an award-winning book on land ownership in Britain, explains: "Money is being taken out of your pocket to enhance the assets of the rich, who, in their role as landowners, pay no tax. This is a massive scandal." "

http://www.johannhari.com/archive/article.php?id=558

	26-05-2005 18:40									#38
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For a second I thought Calistigia might be going to surprise us.

	26-05-2005 18:41									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse For a second I thought Calistigia might be going to surprise us.

With what ? The revelation that he's turned Rastafarian or is a major contributor to Al Sharpton's campaign funds ?

	26-05-2005 19:14									#40
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something like that, alas its just more of the same old

	26-05-2005 20:33									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion What's wrong with that and how is it right wing? The only reason why it wouldn't fit here is because that group is not private.

Camelot is a private company, that have been given the license to run the state lottery. Generally meaning the taxpayer receives part of the funds, rather than providing them. Yet were it someone like the Scouts, who are actively funded by taxpayers denying support to gays, or another group which recieves benefits from the state saying it doesn't want people who are black or anti-war, the right-wingers wouldn't heistate to say they can do what they like.

	26-05-2005 21:41									#42
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Poor whitey. So oppressed.

	26-05-2005 21:44									#43
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There's still hope when we have people like her.

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	26-05-2005 21:54									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Camelot is a private company, that have been given the license to run the state lottery. Generally meaning the taxpayer receives part of the funds, rather than providing them. Yet were it someone like the Scouts, who are actively funded by taxpayers denying support to gays, or another group which recieves benefits from the state saying it doesn't want people who are black or anti-war, the right-wingers wouldn't heistate to say they can do what they like.

I'll be consistent and say they can do what they like in both cases.

	26-05-2005 23:42									#45
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A recruiting agency recently told my gf that she should remove the photo from her cv, as she may be discriminated against for being white!

We probably deserve some counter-discrimination for all the slavery etc

	26-05-2005 23:54									#46
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All racial groups have been enslaved by others at some point in history. To think you deserve maltreatment because of the past actions of someone in your group is ridiculous.

	27-05-2005 00:36									#47
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Well it explains why the welsh/scots/irish have 'beef' with the english

And yes its ridiculous - but i think having empathy for people whom you know you've exploited in the past, even indirectly, helps you understand why they may be angry against you even now.

So i'm willing to make some allowances, but there are limits and maybe this 'article' is trying to point to that?

quote: To think you deserve maltreatment because of the past actions of someone in your group is ridiculous.

We have something in PNG called 'shameing'. Its a cultural and effective way of ensuring you treat people well. I think if we could adopt a simular tradition into our modern lives it would help with many of our social problems.

If we all knew our actions would have a long term repurcusions that we or our children could be held accountable to, maybe we would actualy behave better to one another. So i carry the 'shame' from my forefathers, and i endevour to ensure i dont pass on any to my descendants.

	27-05-2005 01:04									#48
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun There's still hope when we have people like her.

1. That has nothing to do with this thread

2. At this stage there is nothing less inherently funny in the Internet than modified propaganda posters about WoT

3. OH MRFUN YOU CARD

	27-05-2005 05:08									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia your group .

Funny, I don't think of my "group" as defined by race the way you obviously do.

	27-05-2005 14:23									#50
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Just out of interest, how many people actually think charity funds from the lottery should actually go to football clubs in wealthy areas in a nation where we still have waaaaay too many kids living below the poverty line?

A quick word of warning- the first whinging right-wing knee-jerker snivelling about how "It's the principle that matters" will be abused emphatically.

	27-05-2005 14:33									#51
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You don't understand Laz.- this is the Cheshire stockbroker belt, where footballers and merchant bankers are forced to live in 6 and 10 bedroom houses, deprived of interaction with colourful ethnic types and reduced to having to send the maid out to get Indian takeaways or having to have Thai food faxed to them.

Their children suffer from being sent far away to boarding schools and having to go on foreign holidays, unable to socialize with the variegated inhabitants of exotic towns such as Liverpool, Manchester and Stoke on Trent.

Some of these people may not ever have had an Afro-Caribbean or Anglo-Asian friend or acquaintance in their life, and you wish to take away the opportunity for them to lose to skilled ethnically diverse football teams from inner city areas ?



You monster.

	27-05-2005 15:49									#52
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One thing about Lottery grants that the article doesn't mention is that community projects don't get 100% grants, usually it is less than 50%. The local group has to raise the rest itself, either from local authority grants (quite hard to get because the local authorities don't usually have a lot to spare) or fundraising.

Projects that are aimed at ethnic minorities have access to more sources of funding than those simply aimed at local sports facilities, so it is easier.

The real reason they didn't get a grant is likely to be that the grant fund was oversubscribed and they weren't felt to be "needy" enough. But to actually get any money at all a bunch of locals would have had to get off their backsides and put some effort into raising money, a lot more effort than would have been expected from an inner city area. To simply say they don't deserve any help at all to supplement their own efforts is arrogant BS.

The reasons behind poverty in Britain are a lot more complex than who gets a few thousand pounds towards some new football changing rooms.

Personally I object more to the money thrown at inner city projects that fail within a few years for no return on the expenditure.

	27-05-2005 16:04									#53
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this man voted tory

Are you thinking what we're thinking?

	27-05-2005 16:09									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse this man voted tory Are you thinking what we're thinking?

I'm working class and live in a deprived multi-cultural ethnically diverse area of London.

I haven't received my Lottery funded grant to provide me with thinking capabilities because some bast@ard group in Weybridge has a new croquet lawn.

I will have to sell my sons and daughters to ex-Spetsnaz Russian gangsters now.

	27-05-2005 16:12									#55
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There are Sundown towns in England too?

	27-05-2005 16:14									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Funny, I don't think of my "group" as defined by race the way you obviously do.

Whether you or I do or not doesn't change the fact that most other people in the world will see us that way. "Whites" are grouped together and discriminated against by law in the US. It would be silly for me to pretend this method of grouping doesn't exist.

	27-05-2005 16:21									#57
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Nonsense. I'm joining the blacks.

	27-05-2005 16:24									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia "Whites" are grouped together and discriminated against by law in the US.

Not every country is the US.

	27-05-2005 16:24									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Nonsense. I'm joining the blacks.

What's your Bell Curve score ?


We only want feckless idle drug taking baby making criminal nohope retards on the dark side.

Definitely no Pushkin or Dumas types, writin' them fancy no count joined up word sentence type things, or Scott Joplin types banging those sticks & whistling.

	27-05-2005 16:31									#60
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the only group I'm joining has Ian Drury as its leader