27-05-2005 16:35									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Whether you or I do or not doesn't change the fact that most other people in the world will see us that way. "Whites" are grouped together and discriminated against by law in the US. It would be silly for me to pretend this method of grouping doesn't exist.

It's good to see that whites are still doing so well for themselves in the US despite all the persecution.

	27-05-2005 16:41									#62
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH It's good to see that whites are still doing so well for themselves in the US despite all the persecution.

They even allow the ones with learning difficulties and speech impediments to become Vice President and President.


"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."

Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/08/89

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

Vice President Dan Quayle speaking to the United Negro College Fund

	27-05-2005 16:42									#63
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH It's good to see that whites are still doing so well for themselves in the US despite all the persecution.

Do you deny that whites and east asians are discriminated against by law in the US? If the laws were applied equally to us, think how much better we could be doing.

	27-05-2005 16:43									#64
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom They even allow the ones with learning difficulties and speech impediments to become Vice President and President. "Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." Vice President Dan Quayle, 11/08/89 "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." Vice President Dan Quayle speaking to the United Negro College Fund

Quayle almost makes W look intelligent...almost.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Do you deny that whites and east asians are discriminated against by law in the US?

Which laws did you have in mind ?

The infamous anti-white Pass Laws, restricting white householders in Orange County ? ?

The atrociously discriminatory 'Eat Fatty Foods Don't Study Or Exercise Regularly and Don't Think ' law ?


Gee whizz, you should be on television or stage, you're a hoot.

	27-05-2005 16:49									#66
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Which laws did you have in mind ? The infamous anti-white Pass Laws, restricting white householders in Orange County ? ? The atrociously discriminatory 'Eat Fatty Foods Don't Study Or Exercise Regularly and Don't Think ' law ? Gee whizz, you should be on television or stage, you're a hoot.

You must be completely clueless if you are unaware of Affirmative Action in the US.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia You must be completely clueless if you are unaware of Affirmative Action in the US.

No, I'm neither clueless nor unaware of laws relating to affirmative action.


I'm unaware of any studies showing that such laws are the reason for whites or East Asians (which whites ? which East Asians ?) doing badly.


It's just hyperbole on your part.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Do you deny that whites and east asians are discriminated against by law in the US? If the laws were applied equally to us, think how much better we could be doing.

How much better do you need to be doing? White Americans are pretty much the richest people on the planet.

As for laws applied equally, look at the prison population. Do you deny that it's easier to convict a black person than a white person in the US?

Oh of course - you think that's because black people are more likely to be criminals or some other racist crap.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH How much better do you need to be doing? White Americans are pretty much the richest people on the planet.

You can never have enough gated communities, humvees, second/third/fourth homes, facelifts, Guatemalan nannies, Filipina maids or wasted Ivy League educations.


These people are suffering- send money now !!!!

	27-05-2005 17:47									#70
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Hey- I'm white, and I don't have any of those things!!

Cali was right!!

	27-05-2005 18:30									#71
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I think Asian Americans are even richer actually.

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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom No, I'm neither clueless nor unaware of laws relating to affirmative action. I'm unaware of any studies showing that such laws are the reason for whites or East Asians (which whites ? which East Asians ?) doing badly. It's just hyperbole on your part.

When did I say whites or east asians are doing badly? You're putting words in my mouth.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH How much better do you need to be doing? White Americans are pretty much the richest people on the planet. As for laws applied equally, look at the prison population. Do you deny that it's easier to convict a black person than a white person in the US? Oh of course - you think that's because black people are more likely to be criminals or some other racist crap.

Using your logic we should have Affirmative Action for prison.

	27-05-2005 18:33									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Colon I think Asian Americans are even richer actually.

And therefore more evil! That means we whites are only 2nd most evil.

	27-05-2005 19:02									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Using your logic we should have Affirmative Action for prison.

Did I say that?

Using my logic America (and Britain, it's not a unique thing) should have a fair un-racist legal system where it's not easier to prosecute black defendents than white ones.

If you could rid society of the amazing predjudice that still exists you wouldn't need affirmative action to help minority Americans escape from the horrendous poverty traps they find them in.

I'm not sure that affirmative action is a great thing but as long as the American system is so focussed on making the rich richer and the poor poorer and so many people maintain these concious or subconcious racist biases society is so hugely biased in favour of the white majority that it's laughable that anyone suggests that whites are having a hard time. Something needs to be done to break the cycle.

Unless people don't give a **** and assume that because certain races are inferior they therefore deserve to be so much poorer.

	27-05-2005 19:12									#76
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quote: Originally posted by CerberusIV The reasons behind poverty in Britain are a lot more complex than who gets a few thousand pounds towards some new football changing rooms.

Do we have some sort of award for "Most breathtaking example of stating the bleedin' obvious"? If we have, I'm backing this bunny.

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quote: Originally posted by MikeH Did I say that? Using my logic America (and Britain, it's not a unique thing) should have a fair un-racist legal system where it's not easier to prosecute black defendents than white ones.

I presume you believe, like Laz, that each racial group commits exactly the same proportion of crimes?

quote: If you could rid society of the amazing predjudice that still exists you wouldn't need affirmative action to help minority Americans escape from the horrendous poverty traps they find them in.

Horrendous poverty traps? Why do you think there are so many liquor stores in "poor" neighbourhoods? There is nothing stopping any minority American from educating themselves and bettering themselves. There are tons of minority scholarships and racial preferences in place for minority Americans. They could go to public school, and their parents could encourage them to study. Their only poverty is cultural.

quote: I'm not sure that affirmative action is a great thing but as long as the American system is so focussed on making the rich richer and the poor poorer and so many people maintain these concious or subconcious racist biases society is so hugely biased in favour of the white majority that it's laughable that anyone suggests that whites are having a hard time. Something needs to be done to break the cycle.

Despite decades of racial preferences, minority Americans still struggle. Yet according to you this is all whitey's fault.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I presume you believe, like Laz, that each racial group commits exactly the same proportion of crimes?

Good luck with backing up that assertion by reference to my past posting, you incredible fool.

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quote: I think you'd probably get a difference amounting to probably a smidgen of a fraction of a percentage point

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Full quote, please.

quote: No I don't. I think you'd probably get a difference amounting to probably a smidgen of a fraction of a percentage point, and that smidgen of a fraction of a percentage point would immediately be pounced on by ****wits with an agenda from whichever side of the debate they choose to plague.

You lose the dismissive sarcasm otherwise.

It would be almost impossible to get identical results from all races. However, since we have no idea how many crimes are committed, or who commits them, there is absolutely no basis for ****wits like you to arrive at some cod-"scientific" rationale involving genetics.

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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Good luck with backing up that assertion by reference to my past posting, you incredible fool.

You are perhaps, confident, that you have not directly said such a think but your past implications have been clear. For example:

quote: Originally posted by Laz the Gimp It's bullshit, Sava. Racial or ethnic descent does not make people criminals

Said in the context of defending the high crime rate of Gypsies.

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Would you be happier if I said you believe that the difference in crime rates between races is vanishingly small and insignificant? Not much difference from "exactly the same" is it?

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quote: Originally posted by Worthingtons Said in the context of defending the high crime rate of Gypsies.

I think he was saying that crime isn't genetics' fault.

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Would you be happier if I said you believe that the difference in crime rates between races is vanishingly small and insignificant? Not much difference from "exactly the same" is it?

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I think we're all criminals, Cal.

	27-05-2005 20:18									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp + I think we're all criminals, Cal.

Yeah, babies get away with murder.

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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp We are a nation that sees ****ing donkeys get more charitable funding than mentally handicapped children.

quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Do we have some sort of award for "Most breathtaking example of stating the bleedin' obvious"?

I think you beat me to it there, unless the strange funding priorities in the UK are new to you?

	27-05-2005 20:51									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Using your logic we should have Affirmative Action for prison.

You may have a point there - if more middle class white Americans were seriously in danger of going to jail I'm sure there'd be prison reform in the USA

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What kind of "prison reform" do you have in mind?

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse You may have a point there - if more middle class white Americans were seriously in danger of going to jail I'm sure there'd be prison reform in the USA