29-05-2005 08:16									#31
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ONly in your case.

EDIT: To Colon.


Hell, I dont remember any Slaughtermeyer. Did you change your name?

	29-05-2005 08:24									#32
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Everything that Murdoch bastard touches turns to ****.

	29-05-2005 08:25									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Hell, I dont remember any Slaughtermeyer. Did you change your name?

I never changed my forum name in this forum. I just stopped posting and forgot about this forum many years ago after I lost interest in CivII.

	29-05-2005 08:29									#34
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So why did you return? Not that I'm complaining, but were you gone for 6 years?

	29-05-2005 08:30									#35
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He could sell that nick.

	29-05-2005 08:35									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Theben So why did you return? Not that I'm complaining, but were you gone for 6 years?

I wanted to send an email to Lancer to tell him that I was going to the Philippines, but his email address that I had was no longer valid. (I had already met him in Bohol on a previous trip). So I did a google search and found that he still posted here.

I got the Slaughtermeyer nick from the Monty Python sketch about the joke that won WW2.

	29-05-2005 08:39									#37
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Oh yeah? I visited him last year in Bohol. Very nice.

He'll be back online soon I'm sure. He & Dolores are back in Oregon.

	29-05-2005 08:40									#38
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quote: Originally posted by DanS What kind of freak wants to see rape photos, Ludd?

The kind of freak who wants to know what happened, but is caught between two equally prevalent arguments - one claiming rape, and the other denying it?

	29-05-2005 09:46									#39
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I wonder what purpose will be served by publishing further Abu Ghraib abuse photos. We wouldn't think of publishing murder photos or video. We wouldn't think of publishing rape photos or video. Indeed, we try to avoid publishing explicit war photos and video. So what's the use of publishing and publicizing them in this case? I don't want to see these photos and feel like they're being forced on me by a pressure group seeking to discredit the military (the ACLU). Rumsfeld's account of them are detailed enough for my account and in any event the text references are sufficient to know what happened. It's going to be weeks of this crap -- every time I turn on the TV or walk down the street and see it on the front pages of the newspapers.

The same reason that photos of lynched blacks are published by historians today and that photos of Nazi concentration camp mass graves are published -- so people can be shocked into realizing the horror of inhumane acts.

What you do NOT know can hurt you.

	29-05-2005 10:51									#40
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BUMPed for Lancer, as he's online.

	29-05-2005 11:01									#41
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Let the People Know the Facts and the Country Will Be Saved. - Abraham Lincoln

	29-05-2005 11:07									#42
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Btw, may I add... I applaud this judge and the ACLU for this. To pretend that it was just a few pranks and quickly forgotten would be a horrible thing. We must realize how horrible this actually was. When you have people saying fraternity hazing is worse (as happened on this forum) and saying it ain't that bad, we need to do whatever we can to have them fully grasp the crap we committed.

Furthermore, why doesn't the ACLU have the right to this? The Freedom of Information Act allows release of information such as this. There is no national security reason to keep it underwraps or anything.

	29-05-2005 11:17									#43
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd The kind of freak who wants to know what happened, but is caught between two equally prevalent arguments - one claiming rape, and the other denying it?

Wouldn't said freak rather ask somone else who had seen the photos?

	29-05-2005 11:19									#44
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What if you aren't sure if the person who has seen the photos (ie, the government) is truthful?

	29-05-2005 11:21									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Btw, may I add... I applaud this judge and the ACLU for this. To pretend that it was just a few pranks and quickly forgotten would be a horrible thing. We must realize how horrible this actually was. When you have people saying fraternity hazing is worse (as happened on this forum) and saying it ain't that bad, we need to do whatever we can to have them fully grasp the crap we committed. Furthermore, why doesn't the ACLU have the right to this? The Freedom of Information Act allows release of information such as this. There is no national security reason to keep it underwraps or anything.

Well done Siddiqui.

	29-05-2005 11:21									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What if you aren't sure if the person who has seen the photos (ie, the government) is truthful?

On a roll.


Or, downplaying the severity of what happened.

	29-05-2005 11:23									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What if you aren't sure if the person who has seen the photos (ie, the government) is truthful?

I was thinking more about a friend or acquaintance.

	29-05-2005 11:32									#48
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The friend could be less than truthful as well, depending. Depends how much you trust them on things like that.

	29-05-2005 11:33									#49
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Imran, why would someone lie about a basic fact that could be easily checked?

	29-05-2005 11:34									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Imran, why would someone lie about a basic fact that could be easily checked?

If only someone would ask President Bush that on live television...

	29-05-2005 15:26									#51
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Even if they release the pics, I can allways choose not to see them, as I intend to do.

	30-05-2005 00:21									#52
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I want to see the photos. Actually I just want to see the photos of the guards having sex with each other. Yeah I know Lynddie is pretty ugly, but I'm a pervert, I still want to see them.

	30-05-2005 02:18									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Imran, why would someone lie about a basic fact that could be easily checked?

Why not? Putting your own spin on something is quite common for people when looking at 'facts'.

	30-05-2005 02:20									#54
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quote:

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Presumably Dan would agree if Germany asked the world to stop publishing photos of nazi atrocities?

Lest we forget.

	30-05-2005 03:03									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I want to see the photos. Actually I just want to see the photos of the guards having sex with each other. Yeah I know Lynddie is pretty ugly, but I'm a pervert, I still want to see them.

There's any amount of sick porn with ugly people in it out there. Why do you specifically want to see Lynndie Englande (or however she misspells her name)?

As for the question, certainly, the public doesn't need to see the pictures. The question should be, is there any reason those of the public that may want to see them should not be allowed to do so?

	30-05-2005 03:06									#57
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I'm all for full exposure to as many people as possible to to any form of human rights abuse by any country -- whether it be the study of a past human rights abuse or concern of a contemporary case of human rights abuse.

	30-05-2005 03:06									#58
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Maybe DanS lost some "photos" of his own, and this is his pre-emptive strike against their publication.

	30-05-2005 03:16									#59
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I've seen so many Americans downplaying the abuse at Abu Ghraib, that I firmly believe that it is 100% in the public interest that ANY such pictures are shown.

	30-05-2005 03:43									#60
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Yeah, but I can't see how it's in the public interest to see Lynndie England's arse in the air.