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Lawrence of Arabia is offline Lawrence of Arabia
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but they cover it up with "human rights violation" and "bad economy"

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"because they are not culturally european" - not christian, not white in other..."

Euros are strange. Sometimes I think they are good people who are not racist, but if a Turk moves in next door...

Not all of course.

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its because there was never any slavery, or civil rights movements in europe i think. so there is no PC thing about that - being racist doesnt have as bad a connotation because there is no traumatic past (people use derogatory terms towards africans and middle easterners, but less so toward jews, because of course of ww2, especially germans)

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I'm amazed, had no idea.

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especially true at soccer matches where guys will shout n***** at black players or sand n••••• at middle easterners and feel like theres nothing overtly wrong with doing it (same as idiot, moron, its mean, but not overtly so)

obviously poiticos cant say things like that, so they find excuses.

obviously its not all euros.

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It's all that european identity BS. You have to be centre european tee drinker and tofu bastard to be allowed in that elitist category of socialist dreaming with absolutely no realistical backround, because the socialistic dream crumbles down when people from Turkey drive in for the free cheque, and when the wrong coloured people start doing under the minimum wage, paying no taxes and forming ghettoes slowly, that's when the pinky lifting EURONITE wants to move out of the neighbourhood into the new posh one, built just for white people, where they can feel internationalists and sing party songs and wonder how the normal people turned out to be so xenophobic, the common european identity turned out to be rich white people, watching Eurovision on TV and having a bit of circle jerk while crying why people don't truly understand Marx, if everyone was just like them it would work out, but the bastard aren't, because they don't want to, because Hollywood has corrupted their minds and give them a dream of living it like famous people which isn't the reality, but it's their fault of having that dream.

What the pinky lefting beard fondling leftie Euronites should realize is, that most people don't give a **** but are like folks in Finland. You can go and get agreement from people who you want to hear, turn blind eye on others, they're not thinking the same, they must be either stupid or doing it on purpose, either way it doesn't matter because they are not us, they're not the same as us, but the reality is, most people in here are exactly like this:

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Here's your average citizen, and then the idealists think these people actually give a **** about you, your ideas or dreams. Don't look European? Too bad for you. They aren't worse than the rest, they are the average. Euronits are just white trash with an ego and no realism in them, must of been all the chemicals during the 60s while their dads peed a little while making their babies.

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its because there was never any slavery, or civil rights movements in europe i think. so there is no PC thing about that - being racist doesnt have as bad a connotation because there is no traumatic past (people use derogatory terms towards africans and middle easterners, but less so toward jews, because of course of ww2, especially germans)


Being racist doesnt have as bad a connotation in Europe? Where do you get that from?

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Yaeh I have to agree with bebro here, racism has bad connotation in here. Well, the holocaust, duh? I think the ultimate racism was the whole arayan think. At least KKK accepts all whites. Nazis didn't even accept all whites. They had more strict rules about those race things.

There was slavery in Europe as well. I mean kind of. Europe was more colonialist bastard than anyone else. It wasn't too long ago when colonialists had to put people back into their places wiht guns and whips because they didn't like being submitted like that. Well, then Europe kind of pressured itself, and realized we can't kill all Algerians etc, and Asian people either. Besides those Asians started fighting, couldn't keep them places now could we. Indochina was a mother****er. And many other cases as well. It's a good thing we favoured some group of the people and let them submit other grops of their own people even more, so when we left places, there were power vacuums and lol, lots of **** happened and still happens.

But of course, we must stay in form, US is the bastard. They had Vietnam. After us. So we were smarter, like with few years advantage. We will hold on to it.

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I see that Spiffor has been named Prime Minister.

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btw, c'est quoi un profession libérale? and what does S/T mean in S/T Gauche parlementaire and S/T Droite parlementaire.

profession libérale: independant doctors, lawyers, etc. People who work for themselves. I don't know if there is a statistical difference between independents in an intellectual job and independants in a handycraft job.

S/T means "sous-total".

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I see that Spiffor has been named Prime Minister.

And yet I waste time posting on 'Poly. No wonder France is so much in the crapper

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What are your first decisions?

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Re: the Turks, I think the main fear in France is about massive Turkish immigration, and further displacement of activity abroad. Of course, the genuine racists don't want them dirty Turks at all, and I've heard actually quite a few people who genuinely oppose Turkey's entry for geographic reasons (Turkey being located in what we learn as being Asia)

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Seriously, de Villepin is a terrible choice of a Prime Minister for two reasons:
1. He has NEVER faced suffrage. He has never been elected. It's because of his open love for "high politics", and his dislike of dirtying his hands in elections. As a result, he's unlikely to be humble toward the sovereign people, and the regime's popularity will further go down the drain.

2. He is in the Gaullian tradition of believing in France's status as a "special" country. Heck, I've just heard one of his recent speeches where he said "Go to the other end of the world, in the far Asia, and say you're French. You'll see the eye of the other sparkle with more stars than there are on the European flag"
The image of Europe has considerably suffered from the French arrogance, and only arrogance can come from such a general attitude, even if the holder of these beliefs is well-intended.

Edit: found the original quote: "Allez au bout du monde, en extrême Asie, et dites que vous êtes français. Vous verrez le visage de votre interlocuteur pétiller de bien plus d'étoiles qu'il n'y en a dans le drapeau européen!"

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de Villepin = France

Spiffor = de Villepin Jr.

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Well it would appear that the Non had better spin than the Oui. Let's face it, there's probably about eight people in the whole of France who read the whole thing (despite everyone getting a free copy from the government delivered to their door).
I haven't read it either, but I bloody plan to if Mr Tony Blair ever gets round to inviting us to vote on it. (We'll reject it too by the way, I'll tell you that now without having read it, or without anyone having read it).


I reckon so too.

Still all a 'no' vote achieves is a re-think/re-write by the politicians. I think they really need to address the whole moving power away to brussels thing. No one likes the idea of politicians from another(culturaly different) country deciding on too many important and local things for them.

Imho i think we are a long way from building any sort of US of Euro zone, too much history and pride in individuality(which can be a good thing when not high jacked by far left/right politics).

All that i've heard about this constitution so far has made me feel like i'd vote 'no' when given the option. I think we can and should build a stronger united europe - just not under many of the proposals decided so far.

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Euronites, "come on, let's get it passed, so much work is done for it.. no need to.. *tear* so much work we did.. *tear*..". SHUT UP! MAKE A BETTER ONE!

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I don't understand Pekka. Am I still a euronite or not?

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YES YOU ARE. But you are one of the better Euronites. I mean, you don't belong to the evil ones, because you genuinely believe you are doing good, and when push comes to shove, I don't think you would massacre people but rather wake up.

You're kind of close of dropping into TRUE EURO category, but you are too intelligent for that category. Take that as compliment, it is meant as one. Ok to understand the little nuances is a complex but vital thing.

To put it in simple terms, you are the legit front for casino run by mobsters.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4595487.stm

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I disagree (if that is what he wants to imply at the end) that we will get more members, even Russia on the base of the Treaty of Nice. That does not make any sense. Treaty of Nice works somehow, but it also stands for lots of things which people (not only politicians) do not like in the current situation of the Eu. The con was thought to improve this, if we now agree it was a good solution or not is antoher question. But as it turns out now the (current) con is dead - still the rules of Nice are IMO nothing for the future, nothing that will be sufficient for an even bigger Eu.

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Pekka, great posts.

Reminds me of the recent movie about Howard Hughes. In the movie, Howard visits Kate Hephurn family home. Of course, the family is wealthy.

They all regale him with the fact that they are socialists. At one point, after they have been rude to him for the umpteenth time, he says that they are socialists because they have money.

The conversation stops. They stare blankly. Howard storms out.

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The more one thinks about it, the Turkey issues probably will predominate in any country currently having problems with Muslim immigration. I don't forsee that Turkey has any future in the EU. Russia, though, might. Why? Well, it is a white, Christian country -- just like Europe.

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I guess you missed the celebrity poster thread.

Hell, at least no-one thought you were Renato the singing chef.

 
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