02-06-2005 08:24									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Tell that to your dinosaur friends! Didn't that meteor come down in the sea? I wonder if the effects would have been much more severe if it had hit land?

That is one of the hypotheses. The current thought isn't the asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs singlehandedly, it merely hastened their exit as they had been in decline. There were other catastrophic events, like a huge tectonic volcano eruption in what is Siberia today. Plus, that asteroid was huge. Much, much bigger than any single nuclear warhead in stockpile. Even so, most other lifeforms survived.

I read somewhere recently that the combined energy of the nuclear stockpile is less than that of a hurricane.

	02-06-2005 08:33									#92
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quote: Originally posted by GePap So according to you, life, after a multiple millenium extinction, decided to reevolve itself?? Its obvious you passed that AP Physics, NOT Biology, test.

I actually got a 5 on AP Bio but uninhabitable doesn't mean lifeless. It means big animals can't live there.

	02-06-2005 08:34									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That is one of the hypotheses. The current thought isn't the asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs singlehandedly, it merely hastened their exit as they had been in decline. There were other catastrophic events, like a huge tectonic volcano eruption in what is Siberia today. Plus, that asteroid was huge. Much, much bigger than any single nuclear warhead in stockpile. Even so, most other lifeforms survived. I read somewhere recently that the combined energy of the nuclear stockpile is less than that of a hurricane.

That's a somewhat meaningless comparison though, given that almost all of the energy of a hurricane doesn't really do anything.

	02-06-2005 08:35									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker It means big animals can't live there.

Great, Roseanne Barr on the Endangered List.

	02-06-2005 08:36									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I read somewhere recently that the combined energy of the nuclear stockpile is less than that of a hurricane.

According to this site, No.

http://www.phy.syr.edu/courses/modu...ICY/tables.html

According to it, one 100 MT bomb has 10^17 Joules of energy, while your average Hurricane has 10^15 Joules.

That said, a large Earthquake magnitude 8 has 10^18 and a large volcanic erruption like Krakatoa has 10^19.

Though, supposedly, the asteroid that hit the earth 65 Million years ago was 10^23 Joules.

So, that asteroid that hit earth was like 1 Million 100 MT nukes going off at the same time. Far beyond the realms of the nuclear arsenals we have ever had.

	02-06-2005 08:38									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I actually got a 5 on AP Bio but uninhabitable doesn't mean lifeless. It means big animals can't live there.

No, uninhabitable means not being able to be habitated.

I guess 5 on the English one was not forthcoming, now was it?

	02-06-2005 08:39									#97
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You yourself said that many small explosions were better than one big explosion.

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	02-06-2005 08:41									#98
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quote: Originally posted by GePap No, uninhabitable means not being able to be habitated. I guess 5 on the English one was not forthcoming, now was it?

Habitation generally refers to people... no one really CARES if after the nukes, worms and stuff are crawling around.

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I heard something similar to Urban Ranger -- and I believe I heard it on the Discovery Channel -- that the energy in a single hurricane is greater than the energy combined nuclear arsenals of the U.S. and Russia.

	02-06-2005 08:47									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You yourself said that many small explosions were better than one big explosion.

At creating the greatest possible surface damage. The issue now is dust into the stratosphere in order to blot out the sun.

IN that respect, you wants blasts so huge they can chuck dirt 20 miles up.

	02-06-2005 08:48									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Habitation generally refers to people... no one really CARES if after the nukes, worms and stuff are crawling around.

Generally does not actually mean that is what the word means. Popular opinion is rather meaningless in this discussion.

	02-06-2005 08:48									#102
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Why don't we ask what Lancer meant when he was talking about making the earth uninhabitable?

	02-06-2005 08:57									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Why don't we ask what Lancer meant when he was talking about making the earth uninhabitable?

Lancer said "a lifeless desert" on top, with people living in caves.

Don't blame Lancer for your issues.

	02-06-2005 09:00									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "Well, it's his thread, he is supposed to defend it " Not only that, but it's my world, my nukes, my survivors (who are doing very well, thank you), my icecream, and when it comes right down to it, my locust skull sucking aliens.

you scare me

	02-06-2005 09:16									#105
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quote: Originally posted by GePap At creating the greatest possible surface damage. The issue now is dust into the stratosphere in order to blot out the sun. IN that respect, you wants blasts so huge they can chuck dirt 20 miles up.

Or global fires...

	02-06-2005 09:55									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Zkrib, we're trying to have a serious discussion about brain sucking locust aliens and saving the world and you bring up politics?

	02-06-2005 10:21									#107
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Anything I can help you guys with?

Look, I figure the dilemma is this:

The skull sucking aliens are making life really miserable as the masses are being rounded up and used for feeding and breeding, all to supply the aliens with brain food. No decent life for a once proud humanity. Noone but brainless blonde females would remain unmolested, quite a change imo.

So. As president you are faced with a choice. Nuke the world in order to destroy enough of humanity that the aliens have no reason to hang around, or let humanity exist through the eons as mere cattle raised to have their brains sucked out while still alive.

The problem is nuking the world enough to make it pointless for the aliens to hang around but not so much that we go extinct.

Luckily, and after the aliens have left, we have everything we need to make caves to grow food in and the tech to provide energy for the caves. A thriving civilization could thus be built underground, unnoticed by aliens. Perhaps our tech could evolve far enough that we could contact the slave worlds that are forced to help the locust skull suckers. We can only hope...

Anyway, the cave civ would be free of aliens and non comunist.

	02-06-2005 11:45									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Look, I figure the dilemma is this:

Hueij has the best solution

	02-06-2005 13:14									#109
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I'm in favor of using the caves as bases and fighting back (kind of like X-Com or UFO Aftermath).

	02-06-2005 16:52									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger That is one of the hypotheses. The current thought isn't the asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs singlehandedly, it merely hastened their exit as they had been in decline. There were other catastrophic events, like a huge tectonic volcano eruption in what is Siberia today. Plus, that asteroid was huge. Much, much bigger than any single nuclear warhead in stockpile. Even so, most other lifeforms survived. I read somewhere recently that the combined energy of the nuclear stockpile is less than that of a hurricane.

Well anyway, it was scientifically proven by Carl Sagan that the combined arsenals of the US and SU in the late 1970s would produce enough atmospheric ash to inflict a nuclear winter around the globe lasting up to 6 months, and therefore likely to wipe out most of humanity..

	02-06-2005 16:53									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Well anyway, it was scientifically proven by Carl Sagan that the combined arsenals of the US and SU in the late 1970s would produce enough atmospheric ash to inflict a nuclear winter around the globe lasting up to 6 months, and therefore likely to wipe out most of humanity..

There is a LOT of skepticism about Sagan's claim. To state is was proven is a bit much.

	02-06-2005 18:12									#112
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What was the deal with Sagan anyway. I heard he commited some great crime?

	02-06-2005 21:02									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Well anyway, it was scientifically proven by Carl Sagan that the combined arsenals of the US and SU in the late 1970s would produce enough atmospheric ash to inflict a nuclear winter around the globe lasting up to 6 months, and therefore likely to wipe out most of humanity..

6 months of total darkness with an average surface temperature of 0°C or 6 months of slightly obstructed sunlight with a slightly lower surface temperature? There's a huge range there...

	03-06-2005 05:23									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer What was the deal with Sagan anyway. I heard he commited some great crime?

Kind of like Erich von Danken. Long on theory, short on proofs. The Biblecode of Cosmology.

	03-06-2005 05:44									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer What was the deal with Sagan anyway. I heard he commited some great crime?

Bah, scientific snobbery! Sagen was a popular scientist/astonomer who had the ability to explain stuff to everyday people. He also wrote the book upon which Jodie Foster's Contact movie was based.

	03-06-2005 08:10									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 The Biblecode of Cosmology.

How do you do that?

	03-06-2005 08:56									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger How do you do that?

Bad example.
He presented theories as the way things were. Personally, I have nothing against him. I hate it when people dumb things down for the common masses (it can be sooo condescending) but on the positive side he did get alot of people interested in cosmology and thats what is important.

	03-06-2005 09:17									#118
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I reckon you need popular science writers (Asimov being another famous one) to make science more accessable to the masses. Granted, sometimes they need to simplify things, but the work is important.

Sagan also wrote The Demon-Haunted World, which is a nice book on critical thought and science.

	03-06-2005 09:40									#119
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I've been reading the two books Brian Greene has on the best seller list. Highly recommend.

	03-06-2005 09:41									#120
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dancing bananas have been known to live in caves for an extended period of time




LOOK!!! I SEE ONE -- IT HAS COME OUT OF A CAVE!!