10-06-2005 08:37									#121
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quote: Originally posted by SCUrfer I'm sure the Greeks are in. They probably left out the Incans or something.

That would make sense, but then again, they could be tripping LSD or CTP and make this the Civ List:

Americans
Canadians
Dutch
Finnish
Hmong
Incans
Iroquois
Jamaicans
Malinese
Mercian Saxons
Mexicans
North Americans
Northern Irish
Numidians
Polish
Portuguese
Sioux
Zulus

	10-06-2005 08:39									#122
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I'd rather see the Khmer instead of the Hmong in their region.

	10-06-2005 09:26									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I'd rather see the Khmer instead of the Hmong in their region.

Well, if it meant that it would be at the cost of a civ that really deserved to be in the game (ie. Greeks), then I'd rather see the region empty.

	10-06-2005 11:31									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 Well, if it meant that it would be at the cost of a civ that really deserved to be in the game (ie. Greeks), then I'd rather see the region empty.

I don't think the Greeks would like the South-East Asia region anyway.

	10-06-2005 14:21									#125
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Without the english, americans wouldn't had a change to get started.

	10-06-2005 16:02									#126
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Well, the Khmer certinly do deserve getting in better than some others that've been suggested.

	10-06-2005 16:40									#127
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Firaxis doesn't tell us if the Greeks are in or not. This can only have one purpose: they're trying to conceal the fact that the Greeks are NOT in Civ4.

	10-06-2005 17:06									#128
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I do hope the Greeks are in - They have just as much claim as the Romans...

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	10-06-2005 17:19									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Firaxis doesn't tell us if the Greeks are in or not. This can only have one purpose: they're trying to conceal the fact that the Greeks are NOT in Civ4.

Or they're just a bunch of cynical bastards and like to see us suffer

	10-06-2005 17:30									#130
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling I do hope the Greeks are in - They have just as much claim as the Romans... .

Rather more, from the point of view of originating things.

	10-06-2005 17:51									#131
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Rather more, from the point of view of originating things.

Indeed!

	10-06-2005 22:40									#132
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling I do hope the Greeks are in - They have just as much claim as the Romans... .

More claim than the Romans -- the Romans' culture, architecture, philosophy, religion, and even their world outlook were all copied from the Greeks.

Then the Byzantines reverted to Greek culture too.

Greeks!

	10-06-2005 22:49									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 More claim than the Romans -- the Romans' culture, architecture, philosophy, religion, and even their world outlook were all copied from the Greeks. Then the Byzantines reverted to Greek culture too. Greeks!

I disagree on two points.

The Romans have as much right as any civ to be in the game, because they were one of the world's most dominant civilizations for hundreds of years. With the exception of Asia, it conquered almost all the known world at the time. Simply for its military might, it would be a top 6 civ for me.

Also, Romans DID kinda invent the Aquaducts, unless theres evidence I havent read.

	10-06-2005 23:49									#134
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot I disagree on two points. The Romans have as much right as any civ to be in the game, because they were one of the world's most dominant civilizations for hundreds of years. With the exception of Asia, it conquered almost all the known world at the time. Simply for its military might, it would be a top 6 civ for me. Also, Romans DID kinda invent the Aquaducts, unless theres evidence I havent read.

I didn't say the Romans shouldn't be in. However, the Romans would not have been the civilization they became were it not for the Greeks.

As for military conquest, what about Alexander?

Yes, the Romans did invent the aquaducts, but they built off of the architectural legacy of the Greeks.

Again, I DO think the Romans should be in the game. But I disagree with putting them preferentially before the Greeks.

	10-06-2005 23:55									#135
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We all have our preferences. There, we will have to agree to disagree.

The Greeks were one of the greatest civilizations of all time. They belong in the game.

IMHO, the Romans belong just as much or more because of their impact on history. The Greeks gave them more culture than we could probably ever measure, but the Romans were the upstart little civilization that eventually ruled the entire Mediterannean area.

Each have their own selling points.

But again. We'll never agree on 1 civ being more significant. Too many ways to measure that, and too many ways to disagree. Thats the nature of things.

	11-06-2005 01:07									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot We all have our preferences. There, we will have to agree to disagree. The Greeks were one of the greatest civilizations of all time. They belong in the game. IMHO, the Romans belong just as much or more because of their impact on history. The Greeks gave them more culture than we could probably ever measure, but the Romans were the upstart little civilization that eventually ruled the entire Mediterannean area. Each have their own selling points. But again. We'll never agree on 1 civ being more significant. Too many ways to measure that, and too many ways to disagree. Thats the nature of things.

I really don't see where we're disagreeing here...

	11-06-2005 01:20									#137
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good, doesnt matter much anyways.

	11-06-2005 01:31									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot good, doesnt matter much anyways.

Wonderful.

	11-06-2005 02:28									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Or they're just a bunch of cynical bastards and like to see us suffer

sounds just like the people we need writting this game

	11-06-2005 08:48									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot sounds just like the people we need writting this game

Ach du lieber...

	11-06-2005 09:04									#141
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot sounds just like the people we need writting this game

sounds like a couple of sadists.

	11-06-2005 09:08									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 sounds like a couple of sadists.

Sadomasochists.

They hurt themselves as much as they hurt us.

	11-06-2005 09:22									#143
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Who are these people, again?

	11-06-2005 10:18									#144
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quote: Originally posted by MattPilot Austrians!

Bah! Austrians are just Germans who were ruled by the Hapsburgs, they should be part of the German civ. I actually added a few Austrian city names to the German city list, Vienna is #2 after Berlin.

	11-06-2005 10:29									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Bah! Austrians are just Germans who were ruled by the Hapsburgs, they should be part of the German civ. I actually added a few Austrian city names to the German city list, Vienna is #2 after Berlin.

To true! Of course, the Dutch were another breakaway group, they just left earlier and have a language that's more convoluted. And Prussia forced Austria out; the Netherlands left of its own volition.

	11-06-2005 12:47									#146
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And then there's that historically speaken recent break-away on the 'New Continent'...

	11-06-2005 13:22									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Bah! Austrians are just Germans who were ruled by the Hapsburgs, they should be part of the German civ. I actually added a few Austrian city names to the German city list, Vienna is #2 after Berlin.

mad I tell you

	11-06-2005 13:28									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Bah! Austrians are just Germans who were ruled by the Hapsburgs, they should be part of the German civ. I actually added a few Austrian city names to the German city list, Vienna is #2 after Berlin.

Good idea. I think I should add some Russian names to the Polish list, too...

	11-06-2005 13:56									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Good idea. I think I should add some Russian names to the Polish list, too...

White Russian perhaps, but not Yellow Russian.

	11-06-2005 14:13									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 White Russian perhaps, but not Yellow Russian.

what of black russians?