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Which Civ should be added to Civ4? (Time out:0 days after 01-06-2005, 09:56)
Greeks
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Celts
Koreans
Vikings
Zulus (For Die Hard Conventional Civ-ers)
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molly bloom is offline molly bloom
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Oct 2001
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More claim than the Romans -- the Romans' culture, architecture, philosophy, religion, and even their world outlook were all copied from the Greeks.




Not entirely- the Romans 'borrowed' a fair bit from the Etruscans.

" The Romans, who began to dominate the area from the 3rd century BCE, in turn absorbed Etruscan innovations in architecture.The few surviving examples of Etruscan building methods anticipate developments in Rome in the use of the round arch, which, extended into a semicircular tunnel, forms a barrel vault. The Porta Augusta in Perugia shows the use of the barrel vault in its vast entranceway. The round arch rises from vertical supports or jambs, and is formed of precisely cut, wedge-shaped blocks or voussoirs. The keystone is the central stone at the apex, which closes the arch. Etruscan temple architecture took on the plan of early Greek temples, raised on a podium with a projecting, roofed porch supported by columns. Mud brick was used, the columns and entablature being of wood. The temple roof often served as a base for a dazzling display of terra-cotta sculpture. This porch façade would later be used by the Romans in their temple plans.

The Etruscan city was laid out on an orthogonal grid plan with two intersecting main streets. The city's business center and public amenities were at this intersection. This plan would be further elaborated upon by the Romans into sophisticated urban infrastructure. The Etruscans made house-shaped funerary urns and decorated the inside of tombs to resemble house interiors, leaving an excellent record of their domestic life behind. The Roman domus, or house, would also borrow from the Etruscan example. "

http://www.theatre.ubc.ca/dress_dec...ecture_rome.htm


" Roman portraiture undoubtedly continues the Etruscan tradition. It was a common custom in Etruria to decorate the urn containing the ashes of the dead with a lid in the form of the human head (such urns are called canopi), and the same desire to record the features of the departed produced the waxen masks, or imagines, which were preserved in the houses of the Roman aristocracy. In architecture, too, Roman builders learnt much from their Etruscan neighbors, from whom they borrowed the characteristic form of their temples, and perhaps also the prominent use of the arch and vault. But the stream of Etruscan influence was met by a counter-current from the south, where the Greek colonies in Campania provided a natural channel by which Hellenic ideas reached the Latin race; and Roman architects soon abandoned the purely Etruscan type of temple for one which closely followed western Greek models. "

http://11.1911encyclopedia.org/R/RO/ROMAN_ART.htm


Interesting table of Graeco-Roman gods and their Etruscan equivalents:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclo...cy-in-mythology

Vince278 is offline Vince278
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Greeks still had a bigger influence on the entire region, and for a longer time.

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Greeks still had a bigger influence on the entire region, and for a longer time.


I wouldn't disagree with that- but what I do disagree with the view that Roman influences and culture were entirely derived from the Greeks- even the Roman poet Martial was proud of his Celtic ancestry.

quote:
"sprung from the Celts and Iberians , and a countryman of the Tagus;" and, in contrasting his own masculine appearance with that of an effeminate Greek, he draws especial attention to "his stiff Spanish hair" .


http://martial.biography.ms/

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Aug 2001
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I wouldn't disagree with that- but what I do disagree with the view that Roman influences and culture were entirely derived from the Greeks- even the Roman poet Martial was proud of his Celtic ancestry.



http://martial.biography.ms/


I'm not saying that the Romans were drived exclusively from the Greeks, only that the Greeks were a major influence on them.

Greek sphere of influence -- colonies in Spain to conquests in India.

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Romans were very good assimilators. Whether it was territories or ideas didn't matter.

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White Russian perhaps, but not Yellow Russian.

what of black russians?


Mmmmm...I love White Russians and Black Russians. I'd hate to imagine what Yellow Russians taste like.

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Mmmmm...I love White Russians and Black Russians. I'd hate to imagine what Yellow Russians taste like.


What about Red Russians?

Last edited by Alexander01 on 11-06-2005 at 22:33

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what of black russians?


Mmmmm...I love White Russians and Black Russians. I'd hate to imagine what Yellow Russians taste like.


I prefer sex on the beach overall

Wernazuma III is offline Wernazuma III
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Greece! Not even I would prefer the Mayans over Greece...

DerSchwarzfalke is offline DerSchwarzfalke
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Did I hear White Russian?

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...and the thread has reached a new low...

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Is that a beard I see?

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Greeks of course! What would teh world be without us!


So long....

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I'm surprised the Greeks are at a little less than 70% at the moment. I figured the support for the Greeks would be in the 90% range.


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Yeah, it's very disturbing.

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Yeah, it's very disturbing.


And who were the 10 guys who voted for the Zulus?

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Die Hard Conventional Civ-ers, presumably.

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Zulus (For Die Hard Conventional Civ-ers)

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Sad. So very sad.

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Nov 1999
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Sad. So very sad.


Yes, because people are not entitled to have their own opinion. They should all be assimilated into the Apolyton Collective

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Nov 2001
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I like the Greeks and all, but I wouldn't want the Zulu out either.

I find the game lacks variety when all the civs are composed of caucasian euro civs. Aztechs and Zulu and more of the type! They add flavor!

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Yes, because people are not entitled to have their own opinion. They should all be assimilated into the Apolyton Collective


Well, duh.

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I like the Greeks and all, but I wouldn't want the Zulu out either.

I find the game lacks variety when all the civs are composed of caucasian euro civs. Aztechs and Zulu and more of the type! They add flavor!


Maybe, but I'd rather have dumped the Germans or Spanish than the Greeks. Then again, less Greeks buy Civ than Germans or Spanish speaking people...
Markos should threaten to close Poly in protest.

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Markos should threaten to close Poly in protest.
i'm under negotiations with firaxis
they are now willing to put in the greeks again, but say they'll keep the same alexander graphic. i'm saying that's not good enough

Vince278 is offline Vince278
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Hold out for a Markos graphic.

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they are now willing to put in the greeks again, but say they'll keep the same alexander graphic


oh, no, i'll have to support the zulus then...

but i'm sure markos is a tough negotiator, i still hope to see the greeks in the game - with different leader graphics.

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i'm under negotiations with firaxis
they are now willing to put in the greeks again, but say they'll keep the same alexander graphic. i'm saying that's not good enough


Markos, giving it to the man!

CarnalCanaan is offline CarnalCanaan
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May 2004
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The Zulus must be in. It's tradition, dammit.

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Yea I was one who voted for the Zulu too. I agree they add flavor, It just becomes a different game when the Zulu are in town.

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On that note, though, I would miss the Zulu a lot less than I would miss the Greeks.

 
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