02-06-2005 22:01									#1
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This thread isn't for debating whether or not Peak Oil will occur, but what to do after it occurs. Assume that Oil production starts to decrease and the market does not react to the increasing prices. What do we do?

	02-06-2005 22:05									#2
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Swtich to hybrids.

	02-06-2005 22:05									#3
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Assume that the market doesn't react? What the **** are you on?

	02-06-2005 22:06									#4
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Plug-in hybrids. Biodiesel. Grass ethanol. Natural gas engines.

	02-06-2005 22:12									#5
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I'm assuming an economic catastrophe. No one would have money for hybrids.

	02-06-2005 22:14									#6
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Bicycles

which reminds me to buy some lubricant for the chains.

	02-06-2005 22:16									#7
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Hybrids aren't that much more expensive. $2k - $3k for a new vehicle. Besides, as more people buy hybrids, the cost of the electric portion of the hybrid will go way down.

Plug-in hybrids would make a lot of sense, since that would switch most vehicles at most times from oil-based fuels to coal.

	02-06-2005 22:18									#8
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I wish they would make the hybrids more attractive. Most of them look like wimpy euro cars.

	02-06-2005 22:19									#9
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Blame the commies and invade Suriname.

	02-06-2005 22:22									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil I wish they would make the hybrids more attractive. Most of them look like wimpy euro cars.

You do know the wimpy euro(Japaneses) cars are getting more popular in the US because of higher oil prices. You can't stop evolution.

	02-06-2005 22:23									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Hybrids aren't that much more expensive. $2k - $3k for a new vehicle. Besides, as more people buy hybrids, the cost of the electric portion of the hybrid will go way down. Plug-in hybrids would make a lot of sense, since that would switch most vehicles at most times from oil-based fuels to coal.

I'm really talking about the short run, where there isn't enough capacity to build that many hybrids and the price of oil has skyrocketed. How do we get to the point where hybrids are mass produced?

	02-06-2005 22:23									#12
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quote: Assume that the market doesn't react? What the **** are you on?

I was going to say!

The effect will be dramatic but not instantaneous... I'd guess around 1-2 years, during which time we could be ok if we pulled our proverbial fingers out now, which we wont.

	02-06-2005 22:25									#13
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We'll have several years to work it out. Plenty of time for plug-in hybrids to reach mass production. The limiting factor is how fast we can build new base electricity generation capacity.

	02-06-2005 22:26									#14
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I can walk everywhere I need to go. So its not a big deal to me.

	02-06-2005 22:31									#15
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quote: Originally posted by DanS We'll have several years to work it out. Plenty of time for plug-in hybrids to reach mass production. The limiting factor is how fast we can build new base electricity generation capacity.

Urmmmm, no. The limiting factor is the amount of oil. Whatever we do will take oil. Which means that we have to take it from somewhere it is currently being used. That will cause massive problems with the financial markets if they haven't already collapsed, which they probably will have.

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quote: Originally posted by alva You do know the wimpy euro(Japaneses) cars are getting more popular in the US because of higher oil prices. You can't stop evolution.

Trolling is way too easy here.

I don't have a problem with smaller cars (I drive a small car) I just want some better looking ones. The hybrids are almost all pathetic.

	02-06-2005 22:35									#17
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quote: Urmmmm, no. The limiting factor is the amount of oil. Whatever we do will take oil. Which means that we have to take it from somewhere it is currently being used. That will cause massive problems with the financial markets if they haven't already collapsed, which they probably will have.

Take it from transportation. Even considering peak oil, production does not fall very quickly. As long as you don't dawdle, you would have plenty of time to make the switch.

	02-06-2005 22:40									#18
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A decline is a decline. In order to produce more you need more resources or you need to divert them. Since we won't have more oil we will need to divert oil use from somewhere else.

	02-06-2005 22:41									#19
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Very boringly traditional, but coal liquefaction becomes profitable at about $35/barrel, and there is still plenty of coal. So if oil prices keep rising or stay at $50 as they are now people will just use coal liquefaction, which should ensure that oil prices never rise much above $50.

Since that argument seems to hold, I am a bit puzzled about why those people who talk about running out of oil doesn't take it into account.

	02-06-2005 22:42									#20
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Take it from transportation.

I got DanSed.

What exactly do you mean - control prices or something?

	02-06-2005 22:44									#21
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No, just use less of it in transportation. Plug-in hybrids will reduce use of petroleum-based fuels.

	02-06-2005 22:47									#22
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Not much of a plan DanS. What about the economy? Less transportation obviously means less economic production.

	02-06-2005 22:49									#23
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This discussion is becoming frustrating. Plug-in hybrids would allow the same or more transportation with a decreasing supply of petroleum.

	02-06-2005 22:50									#24
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only if the energy was generated from dirty coal plants instead of oil using plants

	02-06-2005 22:52									#25
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quote: Originally posted by DanS This discussion is becoming frustrating. Plug-in hybrids would allow the same or more transportation with a decreasing supply of petroleum.

Blindly ignore the factor of scarcity then.

	02-06-2005 22:52									#26
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Dirty coal.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Blindly ignore the factor of scarcity then.

	02-06-2005 22:58									#28
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You've really got the blinders on for economic catastrophes, don't you Kid?

	02-06-2005 23:05									#29
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And DanS has now dealt with the phenomenon of Kidicious. I warn you, if you continue, you will have to bang your head against the wall many, many, many more times

	02-06-2005 23:05									#30
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I don't know if it will happen or not. I'm just saying what if.