13-06-2005 08:39									#61
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Ok, as soon as I'm levelled to 20, I'm joining you.

I had a great "leader" today who halfway through a quest admitted FINALLY that they didn't have a clue where to go. After 30 minutes of "follow me u noobs"

That was another -60% Death Penalty mission yay

	13-06-2005 10:21									#62
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Ordered my copy today

I compared prices at www.amazon.com and www.outpost.com (frys' online website) and interesting enough, while frys' offered me lower retail prices than amazon did the S&H difference brought the total closer to amazon's. Only about 5 dollars difference :shrug:

Can't wait to get my hand on the game and start playing

	13-06-2005 10:30									#63
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Just got it today. First character is a necromancer...not sure what secondary is going to be.

	13-06-2005 12:37									#64
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Yay! More converts!

I've been looking into the maths behind the game, and I've got armour figured now

	13-06-2005 12:54									#65
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I may end up getting this game for my birthday, we'll see. I need to finish another game first though.

	13-06-2005 13:38									#66
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quote: ........I did one mission over 5 times because people refused to listen to my pleas:

My Personal record: Thirsty Rivers - Six Times ;=)
And only barely made it. And by Barely i mean only one Member still standing with ~20 Hitpoints.
I thought Cooperation would rise as the levels get up but to no avail Still lots of guys who never read Mission Descriptions
[ Like: Kill the priest or he resurrects everty 2 Minuts ]

Especially the German Players are awful, bunch of Killers if you ask me. I tend to use English Districts lately :/

	13-06-2005 13:47									#67
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quote: Originally posted by dudemanjack Just got it today. First character is a necromancer...not sure what secondary is going to be.

"Best" Combo seems to be N/mesmer for combined Energy/Lifestealing, myself is Nekro/Monk.

Dont worry about it too much though, you can test every Secondary Profession in the Start Area and you get the Option to change your Second Class again at lvl 20 in the Desert

Also often Seen is N/Warrior, which i think is pretty inefficent
[ C`mon you seriously lack the Armor to get Head 2 Head with Monster Mobs- Get Warrior/Nekro which results in a slight Energy problem but increases the Survivability big Time] and N/E [Quite Good actually, needs Soulreaping pretty high tough]

	13-06-2005 14:36									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Ok, as soon as I'm levelled to 20, I'm joining you. I had a great "leader" today who halfway through a quest admitted FINALLY that they didn't have a clue where to go. After 30 minutes of "follow me u noobs" That was another -60% Death Penalty mission yay

You are more than welcome. When you are 20 we can duo a bit for items (like soloing but more fun, and only marginally less efficient) and get groups (hopefully not too painful) for the famed Underworld and Fissure of Woe.

Going on from your point IMO the difference between a complete wipe and an easy mission is a clear leader who can stop people attacking the wrong things. Thing is, my leadership skills are quite a lot more advanced than your average GW player, and I'm happy to take the lead on quests, as there are quest arrows.

However in missions it is tough, as there aren't many I've done twice, so I'd rather sit back than be a leader who doesn't really know what to do. This lets in the occasional asshat.

I'm actually of the opinion that bad groups abound during the game, but you don't notice them till you do the tough missions, the ascension ones and Galrath spring to mind. You still have those to look forward to Jam.

	13-06-2005 14:37									#69
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Btw I'm also up for a coordinated alt creation if anyone on Euro servers is.

	13-06-2005 14:37									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I've been looking into the maths behind the game, and I've got armour figured now

And you are keeping it to yourself?

	13-06-2005 16:20									#71
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Galrath is evil, but at least the Reward now reflects it :=)

	13-06-2005 17:20									#72
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I died BADLY on Galrath last night. And I mean BADLY. I guess it can't be done with a group of 4 level 16 characters. 4000xp though! I want!

Armour works on a damage multiplication system.

Armour 15 - 400% of the base damage
Armour 30 - 200%
Armour 60 - 100%
Armour 90 - 50%
Armour 120 - 25%

And the values inbetween, of course. Armour 60 is where you take the damage on the weapon description.

Each point of Strength reduces armour by 2, so you see how it causes more damage.

Spells that let your attacks "ignore armour" will do LESS damage against AR < 60

quote: Btw I'm also up for a coordinated alt creation if anyone on Euro servers is.

Me too I call E/something

I've been around Piken all morning with my Mo/Me, and played with a series of excellent groups. I found that calling, "Healer available for local quests. Knows all routes by heart, will not heal asshats" got me groups very quickly.

I'm really enjoying my healer more than my tank, for the simple reason that I get groups faster, and I know at least one person in the party is going to be healing people. Ok, I have to rely on others to actually do all the killing, and to basically protect me, but I think being a healer is the most rewarding of the three roles for me.

Although... it is GLORIOUS when you can smack people about for 100's of damage with a big sword while blows patter off your armour like rain

-Jam

	13-06-2005 17:41									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Main_Brain Galrath is evil, but at least the Reward now reflects it :=)

I got my juicy 4k just after the update.

	13-06-2005 17:49									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski I died BADLY on Galrath last night. And I mean BADLY. I guess it can't be done with a group of 4 level 16 characters. 4000xp though! I want! -Jam

You do not have a prayer, and I don't care if you are a monk.

I lead this one with 8 18+ people and it still took a few attempts. This is one mission where one bad player will kill you all, so you need to be lucky with a group.

I nearly broke my monitor on some of the failed attempts. There is one bit with roaming minotaurs and some ranged tree type things you just have to do very slowly. I drew a line and said no one move, and said to the ranger shoot some minotaurs and come back. He shoots, a few players charge in to meet the minotaurs, group wiped.

2nd try (different group - 30 mins later) the ranger runs in, everyone stays put (I made it very very clear ) but then the ranger tries to raise his dead pet and dies instead of running back. I almost cried.

	13-06-2005 17:54									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Me too I call E/something

I've been planning E/something as my next char since before you got the game! Is there anything else you want to try?

	13-06-2005 18:13									#76
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I did Galrath at Lvl 16, tough but quite possible. First try too

Hint: Start from Temple of Ages instead of Healing Springs (?), you can bring more Characters that way :=)
Wheter thats an Advantage or a Disadvantage - I refuse to answer.

	13-06-2005 18:51									#77
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Sounds like this game require a lot of tactics instead of just running in and slash n hack everything in the sight. Which I like.

I'm looking forward to the game and you can bet I'll be looking you guys up

	13-06-2005 19:35									#78
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike And you are keeping it to yourself?

I just stumbled upon this Gem of Information:
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	13-06-2005 20:26									#79
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Ha! My guess-work calculations were nearly correct! Nice find Main_Brain

Doc, we can have two casters I'll go for E/Me - basically a Mesmer with Energy Storage.

Oh, and do you want to do a run on Galraiths with me sometime this week? I'll try and level my W/R to at least 18 to be useful.

-Jam

	13-06-2005 20:44									#80
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Not sure I can face that mission again. Ask me later.

	13-06-2005 21:17									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Main_Brain "Best" Combo seems to be N/mesmer for combined Energy/Lifestealing, myself is Nekro/Monk. Dont worry about it too much though, you can test every Secondary Profession in the Start Area and you get the Option to change your Second Class again at lvl 20 in the Desert Also often Seen is N/Warrior, which i think is pretty inefficent [ C`mon you seriously lack the Armor to get Head 2 Head with Monster Mobs- Get Warrior/Nekro which results in a slight Energy problem but increases the Survivability big Time] and N/E [Quite Good actually, needs Soulreaping pretty high tough]

I was actually thinking either mesmer or monk. I'm going to look into what actual skills you get for those classes.

	14-06-2005 17:01									#82
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Secondary Monk is an double-edged Sword.
You lack the Divine Health-Spell bonus so One is not anywhere as efficent as a Primary Monk. As a Support healer its nice but it can turn ugly really quick, when the n/Mo is the [b]only[/] Healer in a Team.
I recently pumped healing Spells up to Skill 8 which is fair enough but it depends on the Partays you land in. Several Partymembers with /mo can lead to a really, really false Sense of Security or make the Questing so much easier.

	14-06-2005 20:35									#83
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Having a secondary monk is a lovely bonus if you are the primary monk and they are not an asshat. Agree with them that they are to be responsible for healing themselves, and then you have one less to worry about. Might even have the spare energy to remove a few hexes

New bugbear - Warriors that use Healing Sigel, which means they get hurt more, so I have to heal them anyway.

-Jam

	14-06-2005 21:00									#84
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How well do you think an Elementalist/Ranger would work?

	14-06-2005 21:29									#85
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type ingame /deaths for a laugh ;=)
I still have the Screenshot of Death 100

	14-06-2005 21:34									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 How well do you think an Elementalist/Ranger would work?

Played as a pure ranger with extra energy for all the cool bow skills it might be quite the damage dealer. Max out Energy Storage and Marksmanship

-Jam

	14-06-2005 22:56									#87
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I think you guys are missing the main benefit of W/Mo. Taken by itself Monk is the 'best' sublass for warrior, but if there is a real monk in the party it's pretty even IMO, and I just take more dmg skills rather than expensive healing skills when that is the case.

W/Mo just gives you that extra flexibility given that each party is different, and also makes you better at soloing.

	14-06-2005 22:59									#88
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just bought it

will probably try it out later today..

JM

	14-06-2005 23:02									#89
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Try it now! How can you resist it's tempting goodness?

	14-06-2005 23:43									#90
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I am also doing installation, and cleaning, on my current computer..

JM