28-06-2005 23:19									#151
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Uh, I don't think all Geforces have T&L capability. I had a Geforce 2 MX 400 and could not change some graphic options in Pirates (they were not available to me). I could only change them when I bought a Geforce FX 5200.

	28-06-2005 23:28									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Uh, I don't think all Geforces have T&L capability. I had a Geforce 2 MX 400 and could not change some graphic options in Pirates (they were not available to me). I could only change them when I bought a Geforce FX 5200.

They do. T&L has been a very basic thing in graphics cards for a while now. The FX series has some new, more advanced features, which the Pirates' engine can use. Some games already require those options to run at all (Prince of Persia III, anyone?), but it seems CIV will not.

	29-06-2005 00:05									#153
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I bought a computer last christmas. Overall, it pretty decent, except for the integrated graphics (no, don't ask). S3 unichrome. The damn thing doesn't even support T&L.

	29-06-2005 00:14									#154
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The damn thing probably also steals your RAM. Go out and buy at least a GeForce FX 5200 - the card will run anything that's not a shooter very well, and it's cheap.

	29-06-2005 00:21									#155
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quote: The damn thing probably also steals your RAM. Go out and buy at least a GeForce FX 5200 - the card will run anything that's not a shooter very well, and it's cheap.

Yep, it steals ram. I bought a Radeon 9550 with 256 MB DDR, but it makes my system crash all the time. So I had to remove it. Out of the frying pan into the fire... I contacted ATI and tried almost everything they suggested. Nothing works. I'll try again when I'll have some time...

	29-06-2005 02:12									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Go out and buy at least a GeForce FX 5200 - the card will run anything that's not a shooter very well, and it's cheap.

Mine even runs Doom3 quite well.

	29-06-2005 02:28									#157
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Actually, a FX 5200 can run Doom3 indeed . Especially if it's on AGP 8x and has 256MB.

	29-06-2005 02:40									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Actually, a FX 5200 can run Doom3 indeed . Especially if it's on AGP 8x and has 256MB.

Has 128MB, but I allow it to "steal" a bit of the other 512MB in the system.

I do not know how fast the AGP is. I do not even know what exactly the graphics chip can do (I used to when working a S3 Virge DX with 2MB.) The beauty of systems less than two years old is, they just work, no fuss. And they should usually run CIV without problems, I think.

	29-06-2005 03:59									#159
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Mine is a FX 5600, but on AGP 4x, 256 MB. Is it enough?

	29-06-2005 04:09									#160
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It's definitely enough for Civ4, I was merely commenting on what's better for Doom3 . Civ4 isn't in Doom3's league, obviously. You'll find that the standard video cards are 64 and 128 MB anyway, relatively few people have 256 MB cards. I have one only because I could get this one for a very low price, as I don't really have the need for such video memory.

	29-06-2005 04:34									#161
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quote: Originally posted by mhkhosravi Is 64 MB GeForce4 Graphic Card enough for this game ? for 1024x768 with CPU AthlonXP 1600+ , 256 MB RAM, I think it will work, hm? I think 800x600 is not too bad for strategic games,

Not sure about the video card, but you should probably get at least another 256 of RAM.

	29-06-2005 04:36									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Until you try to fit 5 rather big windows that can not overlap and should all be visible at all times (and have a readable font ). I could really use 21', even 16:9, seriously.

You could always try a dual monitor system.

	29-06-2005 04:39									#163
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I bought a computer last christmas. Overall, it pretty decent, except for the integrated graphics (no, don't ask). S3 unichrome. The damn thing doesn't even support T&L.

That's the card I had in the motherboard I just got a short while back. I thought it was pretty good until I tried to run Pirates!. Now I have a Radeon 9550/w 128 meg and the game runs fine.

	29-06-2005 12:39									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Willem You could always try a dual monitor system.

Yes, I could. But since I now own a CRT monitor, I will rather buy a single, really big LCD (or plasma...) one when the time comes.

But that is beside the point of CIV.
17' is enough if you only use it for games.

	29-06-2005 14:03									#165
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Nah, screen size is like RAM. You can never have too much

	29-06-2005 22:55									#166
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so, to sum it up, game will not be playable on most of the laptops (including mine), since they usually have integrated graphics.
damn.

	29-06-2005 23:40									#167
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quote: Originally posted by LaRusso so, to sum it up, game will not be playable on most of the laptops (including mine), since they usually have integrated graphics. damn.

It works on integrated graphics with at least 64 MB and that supports T & L.

	30-06-2005 01:08									#168
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I have tested the program I linked to simulate T&L on Star Wars: The Knights of the Old Republic. It works! Just select the option of "Force Software T&L". Mind you, it is slow, but nonetheless it is playable and speed is even less of an issue in a turn-based strategy game.

	25-07-2005 00:36									#169
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I have a AMD Athlon processor 2.08 GHz. Do you think that the game on large maps would work?
I know I have the ram 512. Shared video card at 64MB will be upgraded. Im thinking that by the end of the year computors will have more options and will support most of the new games. Upgrade or new computor?

	25-07-2005 00:43									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Protra3211 I have a AMD Athlon processor 2.08 GHz. Do you think that the game on large maps would work? I know I have the ram 512. Shared video card at 64MB will be upgraded. Im thinking that by the end of the year computors will have more options and will support most of the new games. Upgrade or new computor?

I would only upgrade the video card, and maybe the ram. Your processor speed will be fine, I think.

	20-08-2005 14:13									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Roman I have tested the program I linked to simulate T&L on Star Wars: The Knights of the Old Republic. It works! Just select the option of "Force Software T&L". Mind you, it is slow, but nonetheless it is playable and speed is even less of an issue in a turn-based strategy game.

Definitely something people with cheap, integrated graphics should keep in mind

	26-08-2005 20:48									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Willem No, it will probably refuse to run. I had an integrated chip with no T&L when I got Pirates! and the game would start crashing about 10 minutes in and get progressively worse. And Civ 4 will be using the same engine.

have you tried any utilities that would force programs to use software T&L instead?
I'm about to buy a new mid range laptop, but the one I want doesn't have hardware T&L!

Does anyone know of any laptops that do have hardware t&L ? There don't seem to be many!

	26-08-2005 23:43									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg Since graphics cards seems to be the hardest nut to crack regarding Civ4 I found this: http://video-cards.carte3d.com/gpu.php has a comparative chart of around 190 graphic processors. All the specs you ever wanted to know and more...

When you look at the tables what does "program" mean under T&L????

	27-08-2005 05:28									#174
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I'm afraid the only computer I have that can play it is my laptop from work. I don't want to have to buy a new computer.

	27-08-2005 15:56									#175
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 When you look at the tables what does "program" mean under T&L????

I´m not sure. It could mean that it supports T&L via software, but that doesn´t make sense since it apparently was hardware supported from the beginning...

And it could mean that the person who made the website hasn´t a clue.

I´ve been meaning to ask Nvidia and ATI about this by mail or telephone. This is highly irritating. There´s no mention of T&L in the specs at ATI or Nvidia. This could mean that T&L support is so basic nowadays that it isn´t considered a feature. Or it could meant that it isn´t supported out of the box, but I don´t think that´s so. It´s probably the former.