18-06-2005 03:40									#61
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From the recent news update:

quote: In addition to noting how units must stay fortifed in order to build up their defences, and in turn take advantage of the fortification bonus previously available in the first turn, CivIV`s minimum and recommended system requirements are also revealed officially for the first time. The current min[imum] spec[ification] is a 1 GHz Pentium [III] with 256 MB RAM and a video card that supports hardware T[ransform and] L[ighting (T&L)]. We haven’t really worked out a recommended spec[ification] yet, but I imagine having 512MB of RAM, a P[entium IV], and a recent graphics card... would probably do the trick.

	18-06-2005 04:44									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai From the recent news update: quote: In addition to noting how units must stay fortifed in order to build up their defences, and in turn take advantage of the fortification bonus previously available in the first turn, CivIV`s minimum and recommended system requirements are also revealed officially for the first time. The current min[imum] spec[ification] is a 1 GHz Pentium [III] with 256 MB RAM and a video card that supports hardware T[ransform and] L[ighting (T&L)]. We haven’t really worked out a recommended spec[ification] yet, but I imagine having 512MB of RAM, a P[entium IV], and a recent graphics card... would probably do the trick.

[Hoor]ay for [bra]ckets [!]

	18-06-2005 04:59									#63
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I've never really seen the need for them really...

	19-06-2005 11:07									#64
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from http://civilization4.net/

The current min[imum] spec[ification] is a 1 GHz Pentium [III] with 256 MB RAM and a video card that supports hardware T[ransform and] L[ighting (T&L)]. We haven’t really worked out a recommended spec[ification] yet, but I imagine having 512MB of RAM, a P[entium IV], and a recent graphics card... would probably do the trick.

	19-06-2005 14:35									#65
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Gotta love those brackets.

	19-06-2005 18:08									#66
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Platypus Rex
from http://civilization4.net/

The current min[imum] spec[ification] is a 1 GHz Pentium [III] with 256 MB RAM and a video card that supports hardware T[ransform and] L[ighting (T&L)]. We haven’t really worked out a recommended spec[ification] yet, but I imagine having 512MB of RAM, a P[entium IV], and a recent graphics card... would probably do the trick. [/QUOTE

I just quoted that three posts above.

	19-06-2005 18:43									#67
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And someone else quoted it six posts above you, Nikolai.

	19-06-2005 19:10									#68
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It's a conspiracy, I tell you!

	20-06-2005 01:18									#69
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The EuroGate Scandal!

	20-06-2005 03:05									#70
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hehehe


good to see the message getting out there

	20-06-2005 07:27									#71
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[Definitely]

	20-06-2005 13:46									#72
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no such thing as to much information

	22-06-2005 12:27									#73
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Just stick around awhile longer.

	22-06-2005 13:21									#74
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My PC is way old, but I can upgrade it quite cheap. The only question is if I should save 1000 swedish crowns (~120$) by buying a Celeron CPU instead of a genuine P4. Is it worth the extra 1000 SEK?

	22-06-2005 13:23									#75
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Celeron is no gaming processor. I wouldn't buy it if I were you.

	22-06-2005 21:30									#76
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Well, this seals the fate of Civ IV for me.

I will, regretfully, be unable to run the game. I have a notebook computer with a Pentium IV 1.6GHz processor and 256 megabytes of RAM. So far so good, but my graphics card (SiS 650 - one of those integrated with the mother board) does not support T&L as I painfully found out when I unsuccessfully tried to run Knights of the Old Republic and the Knights of the Old Republic II that I bought simultaneously.

Of course, buying a new computer is out of the question...

	22-06-2005 23:07									#77
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Yeah, integrated video cards suck .

Maybe you will be able to run the game, technically. Some games run with less of what is their minimal requirements - I don't think Civ4 will just refuse to run, although it will probably look like crap.

	22-06-2005 23:28									#78
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ouch

	23-06-2005 01:33									#79
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Thanks for the sympathy. Both of the KOTOR games outright refused to run - due to the lack of hardware transform and lighting capability. If it was just that I had a worse processor or lower RAM than necessary the game would probably still run though slowly, but the lack of T&L capability that appears to be necessary makes it exceedingly unlikely.

	23-06-2005 03:09									#80
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Don't a lot of laptops have integrated video cards? Meaning Firaxis is sealing off an entire market for them?

	23-06-2005 03:13									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Don't a lot of laptops have integrated video cards? Meaning Firaxis is sealing off an entire market for them?

Yes, I would say most notebooks have integrated video cards. On the other hand, I would guess that most gamers have access to desktops which is probably why Firaxis is not too worried.

	23-06-2005 03:22									#82
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Most gamers do have access to desktops, but many also like to play on laptops, as we can see here on Apolyton, too. For instance, when travelling between home and work or elsewhere, playing Civ can be nice. Or at a conference . However, yes, since integrated video cards don't do it, most laptop users won't be running Civ4 apparently.

	23-06-2005 05:36									#83
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Firaxis.

Is requiring T&L a basic design decision that was made long ago and can't be changed, or is there hope that a special laptop installation could be included?

Perhaps "Does you computer have T&L?" or "Do you often play Civ on a laptop?" could be good questions for one of Locutus' weekly surveys?

	23-06-2005 06:38									#84
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Don't worry, Maniac. There's always SMAC waiting for you.

	23-06-2005 08:33									#85
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No notebooks, eh? So much for playing on the train. They might as well just wait and release it only for PS3 and X-Box 360.

	23-06-2005 14:04									#86
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Does someone now a FAQ -or specs link for nvidia GeForce4 graphic cards? Trying to find out if T&L is supported on my card, but can't find the info.

	23-06-2005 15:20									#87
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I think I'll change my mind about buying a cheap laptop for playing Civ at work.

	23-06-2005 15:40									#88
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GeoModder, hardware T & L is supported in the Nvidia GeForce 4 MX and 4000 MX. They just doesn´t mention it on their website for some reason...

	23-06-2005 15:48									#89
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Well, those specs finish me off, a grumpy old codger who has played civ since the original game on the amiga. I used to be content in the knowledge that with no interest whatsoever in action shoot -em ups, etc, I would always be able to play the two brain- engaging games worth spending time on - ie civ and the now rebranded football manager - on my laptop (which does have a dedicated 3d graphics card., just not one up to these specs). Neither expected high performance to be able to run.

I would have guessed that fair proportion of the market for the civ franchise was people like me who know that we don't need a state of the art bells and whistles machine to do everything else we want to do with a computer, and don't see the point of spending lots of money just to run teenager's games. I know the processor and memory specs are perfectly reasonable for most machines, but the graphics card issue is going to hit the minority.

Anyway, I think i'm going to buy an i-mac next time. Wonder if civ 4 will be ported across.

btw I'm very uneasy about the new 3d graphics. Anyone else worried that zooming perspective images make it harder, not easier, to see what's going on around the civworld?

i'm off to sulk

	23-06-2005 16:24									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg GeoModder, hardware T & L is supported in the Nvidia GeForce 4 MX and 4000 MX. They just doesn´t mention it on their website for some reason...

Thanks for the tip. Tho mine is a GeForce4 420 GO (32 megs). It's on a laptop so...