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Brundlefly
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Nov 2001
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Oerdin, I am interested to hear about your Costa Rica trip. Maybe you could make a seperate thread about that.
Prostitution is a blight upon any community anywhere in the world. It perpetuates social dysfunction in the consumer, who forgoes development of social skills that would attract a lover in favor of simply purchasing some "love", as well as in the producer, who forgoes development of skills that would allow them to contribute to society in a more meaningful way in favor of "easy money", at the expense of their integrity, which makes them feel bad about themselves, which makes them use drugs, which makes them see themselves as a victim, etc., etc..
It's a government's responsibility to reduce drug trafficking and make sure there is enough jobs available so that prostitution does not seem like a viable option. The poorer countries struggle with this and should get more support from the international community. I would hope that there is not a tacit approval of prostitution by governments in such countries as a means to promote tourism..
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Oerdin
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of Internet Music.
Sep 2001
time: 21:36
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Reposted from my CG thread.
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Costa Rica is an absolutely amazing country and I'd recommend it to anyone. The first day we landed in the capital of San Jose then drove Volcan Arenal National Park were one of the world's most active volcanoes is located along with a series of hot springs which form an entire river whose water is around 105 degrees F.
The Trebicon hot springs were filled with honeymooning couples and it was easy to see why since there were series natural pools, waterfalls, and at least four streams on the 20 acre property. The lush jungle landscaping and the maze of stone lined walking paths made for a series of secluded pools and grottos where couples could be alone or you could hang out in the many large pools (some natural and some man made) where there were both hot and cold waterfalls, a steam filled cave which acted like a sauna, and a cool swim up bar. There was also a great restaurant which served Costa Rican or European food along with miles of trails in the jungle where you could take either guided or unguided tours of the volcano and the surrounding area. That night we went back to our suite at the Lost Iguana resort where we sat in the Jacuzzi in our private backyard and watched the volcano erupt. Watching the lava shoot out of the volcano and seeing the light reflect off of Lake Arenal was just a perfect end to the day.
Next we went to the small beachside town of Tamerindo which was known for massive surf, a huge night life scene, and a total lack of the usual tourist junk shops & places owned by western multinationals. Tamarindo is pretty remote and only the main road is paved but the place was filled with both local surfers and North American kids who wanted to spend the summer surfing in a cheap but fun place. We kayaked out to Isla Capitan off the coast then spent three hours snorkeling on the coral reef. The coral on the Pacific side isn't as colorful as on the Caribbean side but there was still plenty to see including tuna, shrimp, puffer fish (the guide caught one of those and we got to see how the fish inflated itself up), shell cracker shrimp (these shrimp have claws so strong they break the shells of hermit crabs or clams so they can eat the soft creature inside), numerous lobster, and more coral then you could shake a stick at. That night we went out partying at one of the many night clubs (which were mostly filled with western tourists) and got totally drunk. It was kind of annoying that drug dealers kept asking us to buy MJ and cocaine but I guess that's just part of visiting one of these places.
The next day I tried surfing at Playa Negra and got my ass totally kicked by 25 foot waves. I'd never surfed anything that big before and the board was only 9 feet long (I normally use a longer 10 foot board) so I missed the first four sets, caught the fifth set but fell off since the wave was so steep I kind of got nervous, then totally wiped out on the sixth set and ended up breaking the rented board in two. That was the end of me trying to surf in Costa Rica and I had to pay a $60 repair fee to fix the broken board. Later that day we all went down to a spa and spent $40 for an hour long deep tissue massage and another $15 for a facial. I had felt tired from all the swimming, walking, kayaking, etc... But the massage really helped and it was about a 1/4 the price it would have cost in the US.
Our next stop was the Monteverde Cloud Forest National Park where some of the best preserved and most extensive cloud forests left in Central America are located. Monteverde is high up in the mountains so it's cooler then on the coast and the amount of wildlife found here is incredible. We had a family of monkeys living right by our cabin and they'd steal things you left on the porch if you weren't careful (one of those bastards stole an open bottle of beer from me then sat in the tree across from me and drank the whole thing). In Monteverde we did a jungle canopy tour where they hook you up to a series of steel cables then slide on a little harness & wheel through the tree tops to get a bird's eye view of the different layers of the jungle. They also had a section where you repelled down a cliff face and another where you did a Tarzan swing on a rope, then it ended with a 700m (!!!!) long zip line across the valley back to our starting point. The canopy tour was awesome. After that we went horse back riding on several private ranches (it was really cool since the fog came in at certain parts but cleared up at other parts) and the horses were very spirited so they'd gallup on command which was great. During the horse back riding we stopped at the farm/ranch were the horses' owner lived where his wife made us mango & milk smoothies (the milk was from the farm's cows), then we he tempted some semi-tame monkeys out of the trees with bits of bread and had the monkeys climb all over us. He told us not to reach out to the monkeys since they'd bit your hand but just to let the monkeys do what ever they want. I was fine with this until one monkey, who'd been sitting on my shoulder, decided to climb into my shirt and just hang out there. I know he was playing but the little guy had some really sharp claws (talk about having a monkey on your back ). Next we got to sample some of the crops growing on the farm like papaya, mangos, sugar cane, corn, saw the live stock (horses, cows, goats, sheep, two pigs, ducks, rabbits, and curiously enough guinea pigs. That night we took a night time guided tour of the jungle and the guild showed us many nocturnal inhabitants of the jungle including a two toed tree sloth, a Kikachue (spelling? It's the size of a large cat but it looks like a cross between a lemur and raccoon but lives in trees), numerous bats, god knows how many insects (including a one pound cockroach which is known to eat young birds), and he pointed out several eatable plants along with several plants which the natives used for medicine (including the plant which scientists used to create a treatment for Parkinson’s disease which they were told about by an Indian medicine man). The last thing we did in Monteverde was take a tour of a small coffee farm; the local coffee growers have forms a co-op which specializes in organic, fair trade coffee and the high mountain setting of Monteverde is where the best coffee in Costa Rica is grown. I bought a ton of coffee to give away as gifts to family and friends. The coffee really was the best I'd ever tasted.
Lastly, we drove to Jaco so we could make a day trip to Manuel Antonia National Park. Jaco was a popular resort town in the 1970's but now days it's popularity has slid and now everything is owned by the big multinational chains. There isn't much there which can't be done cheaper/better else where in the country plus the main business in Jaco seems to be the international sex trade. Bus loads of fat bald 50 year old western "tourists" go to Jaco to take advantage of the booming prostitution business there. My friends and I quickly got bored of this town and headed south to Manual Antonia National park which is a large ocean front national park preserving an excellent example of the beach front low land jungle.
The jungle grew right up to the high tide mark and there were all manner of tropical fruits growing there while iguanas, crabs, monkeys, and these strange large tailless rodents (they looked like smaller versions of capybaras which were about the size of a cat) could all be seen feeding on the fallen fruit. The sheer amount of wildlife which can be seen here along with the rarity of finding preserved ocean front jungle makes Manuel Antonia National Park a must see.
Finally we returned to San Jose were we stayed at the Amistad Hotel and went out clubbing all night then caught a 4am flight back to the states. San Jose had a few good museums (the museum of pre-Columbian gold houses the largest collection of pre-Columbian gold in Central America) but mostly the city just sucks. It's dirty, it's over run with hookers, and there isn't much to see. The clubs are either super load clubs where the locals hang out of they are tourist orientated "clubs" which cater to the sex trade. If you go to Costa Rica I'd skip San Jose and go directly to one of the numerous wonderful national parks or other attractions in the rest of the country. |
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Jon Miller
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apparently prostitution is on the up among young relatively well off ladies in the US as well
or at least, so a psychology grad student was telling me
Jon Miller
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Last Conformist
All the world should adopt Sweden's schizophrenic prostitution laws; it's illegal to buy sexual services, but not to sell them. |
Or Canada's
Prostitution is NOT illegal but communicating IN A PUBLIC PLACE for the purpose of priostitution is illegal as is being "found in " a common bawdy house (brothel)
So in Canada, you must almost certainly break the law if you pick up a streetwalker or go to a massage parlour but break no laws at all if you call and book an escort.
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:36
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Originally posted by MrFun
The reason is that prostituion is inherently sexist in which "customers" are predominantly male seeking the "service" of preomdinantly females. It's an unequal system, in which male "customers" can take advantage of the fact that most female prostitutes are impoverished. |
I won't dipute you that that may be the case in most situations. I just know that I work about a block from the high end stroll in Calgary and I have seen the working girls pull up in rather fancy vehicles and they wear rather elaborate outfits . Whether these things are theirs or if some pimp is involved, I have no idea.
Apparently there is another phenomenon I have heard about. Apparently a LOT of the streetwalkers in Calgary come out from Vancouver on a regular basis, flying here for "work". I found that odd but apparently Vancouver has so very many girls that its too competitive. This could be an economic factor since Calgary generally is beeter off so fewer girls see the need to go into this "business"
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:36
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Overall I have mixed feelings on adult prostitution.
There is part of me that sees it little different than when a hire out the use of my services on a certain basis and for a set fee. If a person wants to sell oral sex as a service, why should they not have that right?? Who am I to say who's cheney someone else may or may not inhale??
But that is an ideal where women are free and able to make free choice .... In far too many cases they are not free and I'm never sure where you draw the line. One woman is a slave and thats wrong. Another is completely impoverished and needs to do it to eat . . . that feels somewhat wrong. Another is lower middle class and does it because it can earn her more money for less time "worked" that any other job she can get-- my sympathy is waning. The last isvery educated and charges high rates and can earn a 6 figure income while being wined and dined in nice places-- not much sympathy .
But I see the inconsistency of it. Leaving aside the enslaved or threatened woman . . . If it is ok for a woman that would otherwise earn say 60 K a to supplement that by prostitution, why is it not ok for a very poor woman to improve her lot as well? It feels less acceptable but should it??
Some people say it is degrading and perhaps it is in many cases but I don't think it needs to be. A person could treat their sex worker with respect.
If a person hires a cleaning lady, that person has to do all sorts of moderately unsavoury things (like cleaning crap)to earn a living but again you can treat them with respect.
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Jon Miller
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have you seen the pornos where the girl is being face ****ed and has to vomit every little bit?
you can't tell me that that, and a lot of other things that go on in porno and prostitution, should be a legit job
JM
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Miller
have you seen the pornos where the girl is being face ****ed and has to vomit every little bit?
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Nope I haven't and hope I never do.
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Miller
you can't tell me that that, and a lot of other things that go on in porno and prostitution, should be a legit job
JM |
There are a lot of disgusting things that I agree should not be part of what I consider a legit job
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:36
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quote:
Originally posted by pchang
However, advertising the phone number for the escort is communicating in a public place.... |
REALLY?? By whom ??
The problem with that conception is that there is a proof problem as to who placed the ad. Maybe the escort did herself and maybe not. Add in the complexity that many websites are hosted outside Canada and you face a ticklish jurisdictional problem. Plus lots of communication is on message boards where people are somewhat anonymous.
I am not aware of any Canadian prosecutions for advertised escorts. are you??
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:36
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Quite a few of my clients are prostitutes. They are generally quite pathetic creatures, giving head "that's the street term for fellatio" to vice cops for 20 dollars. For the most part, crack whores. I would rather it be legalized and reguated/taxed, maybe then these people could get some help for themselves, or at least force them to be std free.
I had one case set for trial
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Jon Miller
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quote:
Originally posted by Flubber
Nope I haven't and hope I never do.
There are a lot of disgusting things that I agree should not be part of what I consider a legit job |
I didn't intend to see it either
JM
(buy honestly.. I have seen worse)
(at least in hentai)
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