07-06-2005 20:29									#1
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Ive noticed there are alot of them around here. I even had one stumble towards me in a drunken stuppor on my walk to work. Luckily just stepping to the side was enough to avoid any situation.

From what Ive heard some of them make a decent living from begging, $100 a day or more. Thats almost twice what I make.


What are your thoughts about them?

Do you think there is any way to get them off the streets?

	07-06-2005 20:33									#2
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We could label them as undesirables, force them to distinguish themselves with some kind of badge, round them up into concentration camps, and then exterminate them.

	07-06-2005 20:34									#3
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Lots on the streets in Washington too. I think a lot are mentally impaired, who in other societies would be taken from the streets and locked in assylums. At least that's the case in Washington, which attracts lots of nuts because of what the city stands for (it is a very strong symbol for people off their rockers for some reason).

	07-06-2005 20:35									#4
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Well, it's a lot easier to be homeless where it's warm than in Barrow.

	07-06-2005 20:36									#5
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun We could label them as undesirables, force them to distinguish themselves with some kind of badge, round them up into concentration camps, and then exterminate them.

That was slightly inappropriate...

	07-06-2005 20:37									#6
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quote: I think a lot are mentally impaired, who in other societies would be taken from the streets and locked in assylums.

Why cant we do that anymore anyway? Its not all that inhumane to take a person who cannot care for himself and take care of him, is it?

edit: we already do the same thing with minors who are pretty much homeless.

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Yeah, MrFun, let's just deport 'em!

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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear That was slightly inappropriate...

I forgot to include some kind of sarcastic smilie for those who sarcasm detectors are not working.

	07-06-2005 20:41									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Yeah, MrFun, let's just deport 'em!

**** deporting them -- let's just exterminate them if the poor are to be blamed for their own poverty.

	07-06-2005 20:41									#10
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quote: Why cant we do that anymore anyway? Its not all that inhumane to take a person who cannot care for himself and take care of him, is it?

And essentially lock him away against his will? How are we to decide who can and can't take care of himself? It's a tough choice and a tough issue.

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quote: And essentially lock him away? How are we decide who can and can't take care of himself? It's a tough choice.

We already have a system set up to take care of foster kids, even though it sucks and is overloaded, it works.

We could set up a similar system for adults.



Or we could create groups of citizens armed with bats who go out at night and

	07-06-2005 20:47									#12
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We had a system for adults, and it was found to be cruel and arbitrary and was abolished. It was inhumane.

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That's what I gathered, although I was too young to tune in to what was happening when it happened.

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The problem with homeless people is that they smell, and smelly people don't get laid.

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quote: We had a system for adults, and it was found to be cruel and arbitrary and was abolished. It was inhumane.

I dont know the particulars about the kind of abuse that went on. However psychiatric medicines and therapy have progressed a lot since those days. Certainly you would agree that its more inhumane for us to leave them on the street to starve to death, or die from treatable illness.

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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I forgot to include some kind of sarcastic smilie for those who sarcasm detectors are not working.

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IIRC, it happened in the 70s, and I remember hearing stories that scared the bejeezuz outta me.

The real problem is that with the emancipation of the insane, the states cut their funding for mental health programs, and then people who needed help and wanted it could no longer get it if they couldn't afford it. Still, I'd rather be homeless than trapped in a place I didn't want to be with abusive staff.

	07-06-2005 20:59									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us Certainly you would agree that its more inhumane for us to leave them on the street to starve to death, or die from treatable illness.

Given what goes on in nursing homes and mental care centers still to this day, I would absolutely disagree.

	07-06-2005 21:00									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us quote: I think a lot are mentally impaired, who in other societies would be taken from the streets and locked in assylums. Why cant we do that anymore anyway? Its not all that inhumane to take a person who cannot care for himself and take care of him, is it?

"take care of him" has so many meanings.


Most assylums are not humane.

	07-06-2005 21:04									#20
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quote: Still, I'd rather be homeless than trapped in a place I didn't want to be with abusive staff.

You also have the intellegence to know how to take care of yourself. You would be capable of making use of the homeless shelters and other programs already set up. You would also no doubt groom yourself and keep a presentable appearance.

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So you'd rather be beaten and sexually abused and kept in restraints than wander around homeless in confusion?

	07-06-2005 21:18									#22
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quote: So you'd rather be beaten and sexually abused and kept in restraints than wander around homeless in confusion?

Depends on who's doing the beating and sexual abuse.

Seriously though, if I were a deranged homeless person I would rather wonder on my own. However if a person is having a detrimental effect on society they should be removed. We dont give criminals happy pills and then toss them back out onto the streets, so we shouldnt do that with the homeless.

If asylums were run properly there wouldnt be the rampant abuse.

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quote: Still, I'd rather be homeless than trapped in a place I didn't want to be with abusive staff

Yes, it is better to be ill and free, than well and caged.

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The homeless aren't necessarily criminals.

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quote: Originally posted by Space05us However if a person is having a detrimental effect on society they should be removed.

A detrimental effect such as "stumbling towards you"?

	07-06-2005 21:25									#26
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quote: Seriously though, if I were a deranged homeless person I would rather wonder on my own. However if a person is having a detrimental effect on society they should be removed. We dont give criminals happy pills and then toss them back out onto the streets, so we shouldnt do that with the homeless.

New York City and many other US jurisdictions outlaw living on the streets. I'm rather ambivalent about these kinds of laws. On the one hand, it requires the government to take care of these people, one way or another. On the other hand, homeless people, crazy or not, have as much right to the public streets as anybody else in this society.

	07-06-2005 21:26									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Yes, it is better to be ill and free, than well and caged.

There's nothing "well" about being in an assylum, no matter what way you look at it.

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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd A detrimental effect such as "stumbling towards you"?

Such as not looking pretty. They are filthy, many of them dont have the IQ to determine right from wrong, and they scare the gentry.

quote: On the other hand, homeless people, crazy or not, have as much right to the public streets as anybody else in this society.

No. If they are not productive members of society then they dont have any right to the streets. They piss and **** where they please, carry around garbage and disease.


They are detrimental to society.

	07-06-2005 21:30									#29
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I scare the gentry and am frequently filthy. Should I be locked up?

	07-06-2005 21:55									#30
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Guys, can't you tell Space is just trolling?

Unless he's the next Bodd's or Wiglaf or something. Maybe the New Mexico sun is getting to him...