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cavebear
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of the Pleistocene
Oct 1999
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I have seen several attempts to get yet another diplo game started, several of which I would have been delighted to participate in. Closure seems to be the problem.
I've played a part of a diplo game previously, and anyone who knows me understands that I tend to play regular MP games that way when given a chance. So, I propose to organize a Diplo game to be played 4 pm to 7 pm Sundays every week for several months (intending that it go to Alpha Centuri). Players would be expected to be there every week, though ocassional subs would be inevitable.
Players don't have to be expert (as if I am), but they should have some experience in allying in MP play.
The most standard cheating rules would apply, we would have bribing, every player would survive til the conclusion, and we adjust borders and techs etc to keep civs engaged (not "equal", but engaged). The game should either be on King or Deity level and involve no barbs, as this is a human game I want to take concrete steps to getting this one going.
We will need a few people with cable or DSL connections to host (I don't, or I would).
The game will be on a premade map that is fair to all, with fair starting points. I, myself, will not know the particular map used.
Anyone who strives for a quick military win need not consider this game. We will simply cheat to eliminate you. This game may not be won absolutely by military conquest.
ICQ 37552809
cavebear@erols.com
Interested?
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I'm assuming Eastern time, as Cavebear shows to be in Maryland.
Of course, the fact that he has noted Eastern Time right under Maryland helped me, too.
I always post in Central time, and leave it to others to figure the math.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by IamSlowwHand (edited December 09, 2000).]</font>
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Mindfields
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Netherlands
May 2000
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Sign me up cavebear.
Maybe you should discus this with Ozzy.
Btw ozzy. that eurodip is still going. But is hasn't been played for weeks. is it ended?
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Mindfields
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Netherlands
May 2000
time: 05:12
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btw. i have cable
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KenThur
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North San Francisco Bay, California Republic
May 1999
time: 05:12
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Cavebear, R U going to set this up?
If so, today is the day?!
Mid-day as i understand your original plan.
As for maps... i understand they will be UNKNOWN by anyone in the game?
Any comments / thots on rules upgrade?
Ozz; if U & Capo want to plan a diplo, why not join this one? If not, then it may not be real appropriate to use someone's forum to advertise your later game. Play here or start your own thread pls.
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by KenThur (edited December 10, 2000).]</font>
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CapTVK
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Voorburg, the Netherlands, Europe
Jan 1970
time: 05:12
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My plea is rather to have lots of mediocre games going on at once, with motley collections of committed, driven, talented players and slack-ass, careless, uninvolved players. We hope to gather the best players in this genre under one roof and have a game to remember for years to come.
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I have to agree with with Ozzy on this, I rather have one good game that's finished then three bright starts that fizzle out after a month.
One suggestion for all upcoming diplogames: "Why not make it a team effort?"
You could have two sessions every week, one in the weekend and one through the week. The diplo-diehards could play in both sessions and the rest could organize some sort of team roster for play.
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If Kenthur is in, I'm in! I wouldn't want to miss a repeat of Milo's DAM(n)-wonder in the world! 
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The Capo
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of the Baltimorons
May 2000
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Its about time I opened my mouth.
I have read all of the posts involved with all of the Diplogames, trying to become the Zen master of Diplogames, but to no real avail.
In the eyes of most of you I am a "rookie" at best, but I can tell you that I am one fun guy to play with in a Diplogame.
I have started many ill fated games in my past, and some of their fates were due to me personally. So that's a warning.
I would be quite interested in joining this game, but at the same time me and the Oz-man were dilligently trying to establish a diplogame that would start after New Year's, since we didn't want it to fall apart we tried to slowly build it to get loyal players, but I guess its who you know.
And since nobody knows the Capo around these parts, I think it would be a good idea if I got involved. If Ozzy is in I am in.
I think we should play on the map that Ozzy so dilligently worked on at all hours of the night putting his ocular capabilities at risk.
I think we should preestablish where our tribes start from, just so we don't get any strange starting points or starting too close or whatever.
I also want to extend an invite to Drake from UltraDip, he is the Mongolians and he is really a great player. Which I think makes how many? Six right there?
Cave
Kent
Berz
Ozzy
Capo
Drake
???????
And I bet some of you are gonna be pissed and say "Who the f*ck does Capo think he is?" but ask Ozzy and Drake, its my nature.
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"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
-Winston Churchill
"Ceterum censo Carthaginem esse delendam"
"Also I think that Carthage must be destroyed"
-Cato the Elder, Roman Statesmen
One Love.
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KenThur
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North San Francisco Bay, California Republic
May 1999
time: 05:12
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I continue to be interested & will stick it out, regardless of powerchart ratings & / or position.
(it's about the TEAM that wins, not the individual).
What am NOT the least bit interested in, is a map that ANYBODY even remotely involved in the contest knows. Period, end of story.
Half the fun & challenge of this entire game is NOT knowing & having to find / explore / discover a new world & the other civ's that are in it.
I mean think about it... how realistic or historic is it to have all the rulers from pre-historic times, know the layout of the entire world?
IMS-HO
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cavebear
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of the Pleistocene
Oct 1999
time: 00:12
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For the game I am planning (4 pm Sundays Eastern Time)I am thinking that we would not want to venture very far from standard rules. Mainly, that's because it is difficult for me to keep too many rule variations in my head. But also because, if we have to worry about some players committing havoc with Diplomat attacks or nuclear war, then (as a Diplo game) it is dead before we start.
So, I propose fairly standard settings: Emperor or diety level, large map, large land masses (or one single land mass), roving tribes (or villages only), temperate, and preset civ-starting positions (to keep a few unfortunate civs from starting on top of each other or in polar regions). Am I forgetting anything?
And we need to know who among the interested players can host with DSL or cable (and will remember to save every year). I have only dial-up service. 
Oh, start-date. I assume that play on Christmas or New Year's Eves would cause problems, so I suggest Jan 7th.
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OzzyKP
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Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
time: 00:12
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Hey Capo, give up your damn inferiority complex, we don't all think of you as a rookie. You're a better more established diplo player than most of the people in this thread.
But, i don't think you want to jump ship to this game quite yet, it doesn't seem to be the one we want. While it may seem like a ***** thing to do, i want to be able to carefully select the players in the game no matter how long it takes. Truly the elite diplo players, so we can have the best ever.
Personally i think the reason that past diplo games we've been in have failed is that we just take whoever comes along for the game. Alot of them aren't entirely sure what the concept of a diplo game are, and just show up (sometimes) and play normal multiplayer.
Also, i like the premade map, and would rather have that and the special rules tweaks we propose than the straight out random game here, so i suggest you and drake take your marbles back to the game that we started setting up long before this one.
Again Cave, i really apoligize if it seems that i'm trying to subvert your game, i don't want to do that and i wish you all the luck in the world. But it just gets kinda discouraging when you are talking about a game for several weeks, and then someone all of a sudden starts up another game to steal the thunder. I'll try not to post here anymore though, and just let you all do your thing, i guess this was mostly a post to Capo though.
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Ozzy - King of Metal
Ozzy - Hungarians in Eurodip I
Ozzy - Proud Sayen member
Ozzy - Prez of NYRA, http://nyra.ecg.net
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CapTVK
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Voorburg, the Netherlands, Europe
Jan 1970
time: 05:12
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Cavebear said that the best date for now would be jan 7th. I'm for that date, I wouldn't be available before that anyway, christmas, vactions, celebrations et al...
I don't really have any trouble with the sort of map. Although I would like to play on the worldmap, but a random map can be just as much fun.
But I would suggest some changes in the rules.txt however:
I've decided to playtest a +2 increase in movement for all naval vessels on the worldmap and it works quite well for the gamebalance. Naval vessels before far more important and it also helps out players who are completely isolated from the rest of the world.
Another suggestion is ditching SDI at the end of the game:
Why? well, the players who's usually ahead at this time can rushbuild SDI in his major cities at this point making nuclear weapons a bit useless. In return we could replace the ICBM with a nuclear bomber with a 10-range (5 movement/turn) and a short range nuclear missile (6 move/turn). This way you'll have to sneak up pretty close with a sub or carrier to get in a shot, it should help to keep players at their toes at this point.
Those are my suggestions at this stage, anything else?
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cavebear
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of the Pleistocene
Oct 1999
time: 00:12
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Again Cave, i really apoligize if it seems that i'm trying to subvert your game, i don't want to do that and i wish you all the luck in the world. But it just gets kinda discouraging when you are talking about a game for several weeks, and then someone all of a sudden starts up another game to steal the thunder. I'll try not to post here anymore though, and just let you all do your thing, i guess this was mostly a post to Capo though.
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No problem, Ozzy. I wasn't trying to rain on your parade, either. As I mentioned at the outset, I've seen so much discussion (and not neccesarily meaning about yours) about Diplo games getting set up and going, that I thought I would try and take some organizing action. Besides, I'm sure we have slightly different ideas in mind for a game that would attract different players. It is worth having different kinds of Diplo games just to learn what ideas work best.
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