20-06-2005 13:17									#31
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Morgans are about to receive a blitzkrieg I think. The closest Hive base to their borders has about all of Hive's airforce.

	20-06-2005 19:32									#32
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I also see us having to dump Yang and Spartans then go for Alience Victory.

	20-06-2005 20:16									#33
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Alliance Victory? Not possible as long as a human team lives according to the DG's rules.

	20-06-2005 23:20									#34
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You know what this means.

"Death to Humans; Death, Death, Death"

Resistance is futile; you will be assimilated or die.

	21-06-2005 00:34									#35
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Have you sent that latest message already?

	21-06-2005 02:58									#36
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Morgans don't have NG (least they didn't last time I looked). So in their present advanced research stage, NG may be of interest for a trade.

I maybe wrong but I don't see Morgan being interested in AV that much.

Maybe if they have a SP they'd like, we could trade our future non interest or guarantee non build in their desired SP? in exchange for their non AV build. Except HSA that is I suppose.

	21-06-2005 03:01									#37
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I don't suppose they would be interested in the Neural Amplifier?

	21-06-2005 03:03									#38
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Whatever the discussions with Morgan or Spartans, we need to build up our crawler base again to build these SPs.

This begs the question of what do we build where: planning.

	21-06-2005 03:11									#39
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Re Neural Amp. Well they might if for no other reason than to get a dummy SP started.

Also don't forget they don't know, afaik, that we have infiltration on them. I don't think our pact with Gaians provides that info (and even if it did we have a secret pact? with Gaians anyhow).

	21-06-2005 03:15									#40
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If they say they are interested in the NG. what's our view ? Would they use it to build the AV in anticipation of receiving PE from Spartans.

I suppose Morgans don't know of Spartans attitude to PE or NG yet?

	21-06-2005 03:43									#41
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We're on an askers market here, and don't have much leverage to stand on.
What if they ask a pact as part of the price for AV?

	21-06-2005 04:10									#42
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I have sent what I posted abit back before you posted your version.

It is what your suggested but not as flowery.

	21-06-2005 04:16									#43
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AV is secure with us from the Spartans (that is Spartans can not build AV per earlier agreement, but they can trade PE to anyone), so pact is not necessary.

They can trade with the Morgans (but would the Morgans be really interested in building the AV SP)? I tend to think they prefer the Hybrid Forest aspect.

	21-06-2005 09:12									#44
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We actually could go Pact with Morgans. After all, they are no longer in war with anyone, but Yang. Yang might attack us sooner coz of Pact with Morgans, but my feeling is he would do it anyway.

	21-06-2005 13:34									#45
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I would hold off on agrivating Yang too much till we have our military ready to pounce on him.

	24-06-2005 10:43									#46
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Any word from Spartans? They must be a bit dissapointed about CF. In their last message pertaining to possible change of CF to AV I could sense unspoken hope no instabuild of this SP.

	24-06-2005 19:19									#47
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Not a peep.

I think they are upset with us and formulating their plans to conquor.

	28-06-2005 10:35									#48
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Gaians have 4 turns to complete Intellectual integrity. How about asking them for trade now? They are quite behind in the techs actually. I predicted what techs will they be offered when getting IntInt:

Doctrine Initiative
Progenitor Psych
Bio-Engineering
Cyberethics
Nonlinear Math
Mind/Machine Interface

There are then 2 techs which we do not posses:
- Doctrine Initiative
- Bio-Engineering
and they are quite interesting. Clean ability might be worth implementing on formers. Cloning Vats are also in that direction.
And we might use some cruiser chassis too.

If Gaians agree to leapfrog to one of these two techs, we might then trade with them something more.

And second issue. We actually might go for Pact with Morganities, if you think that might help our economy. I think we might count for like 10-15 EC/turn more. They keep small bases...

	28-06-2005 19:05									#49
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Setting up trade woth G sound fine but pact woth M still do not like the idea.

	29-06-2005 22:00									#50
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I agree. Let's initiate discussion with Gaians re leap frogging to, well I suggest, Bio engineering.

Also advise them that we both must be careful with onward trades because Spartans have Plan Data.

	29-06-2005 23:09									#51
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Planned letter

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Dear Gaians

Would you be interested in researching Bio-Enginering for us and in exchange we could offer you Cybernetics or Doctrine: Inititive.

We must be carefull with trades due to the fact the Spartans have Plan Data.

Forester
DA Ambassador

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They may be more interested in getting Doctrine: Air Power.

	30-06-2005 02:12									#53
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Forester:

The message to the Gaians needs some changes.

First we want to know if they are interested in leap-frogging to Bio Engineering if we trade them Intel Integ.

After that we can discuss further tech trades. We don't have Doc: Ini to trade so can't offer it.

They have Doc: Air already. What they might look for is MMI but that tech I think we want to hold on to (for a while) because of the Spartan Plan Data issue and also it could be probed from them.

So we focus on Bio engineering as the the target tech imo. Big benefits to them from that tech also.

	30-06-2005 02:28									#54
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Write to them also the findings re their most likely offered new techs when they have IntInt.

I agree with Hercules on not trading MMI

Tell Gaians we do not have Doc Init and Bioengineering. They of course can check all these things by themselves, by we just did this work here. They may though recheck it.

	30-06-2005 12:06									#55
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So we want Bio-Eng and will give what in exchange.

IntInt

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Dear Gaians

Would you be interested in researching Bio-Enginering for us and in exchange we would give you Intelectual Integrity now allowing you to have that tech now.

We must be carefull with trades due to the fact the Spartans have Plan Data.

Forester
DA Ambassador

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Last edited by ForesterSOF on 30-06-2005 at 12:32

	30-06-2005 12:58									#56
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Ok go with that.

	30-06-2005 13:15									#57
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Sent

	30-06-2005 13:19									#58
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Reply

Your proposal has been inserted into commlinks, stay tuned for our answer.

	30-06-2005 17:17									#59
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Do we want the Longevity Vaccine or not?

	01-07-2005 00:08									#60
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Emmmm Hadn't thought about it. Quite a useful SP for drone control. I think I would prefer AV.

It is an SP I would be happy to agree to the Gaians building.
But I would like to secure from the Gaians their non build agreement on the AV/HSA.