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Hercules is offline Hercules
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I am coming to think the Gaians think they can hoodwink us into delivering techs without giving anything back.

Let's confront them and ask what their view is?

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I am prepared to trade but I want binding agreements. The agreements include time restraints and trading restraints.

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Hercules, maybe you would write a note on this, then either me or Forester can forward it to them.
I can also give you Chaos Theory and BinTravkin email for talking to them. I think they both are the most active Gaians at the moment.

Also, they apparent strange stance towards us maybe just activity problem, if you know what I mean.

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At moment PM BinTravkin for my G contact.

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To our friends the Gaians,

Our council group agreed to send you Intel Integ pre- accepted on the understanding that we could arrive at a satisfactory arrangement. We ask you not to trade it on for say 5? years

We think we understand your reluctance to send Bio-Engineering: either because you want to build the LV SP or because sending it to us would mean Spartans would also get it via the Plan Datalinks or both reasons.

If this is the case then we can accept that in the short term. It is the same for us as regards trading MMI. However we recognise we will trade it to you in the near future, provided again that you will not trade it on.

So for Intel Integ we would like that you switch to Cent Empathy.

your pact colleague

Datajack Mart/ Forester


PS Do you have infiltration on the Spartans? It would be useful to know what they are researching and the force deployment in some of their new UN acquisitions

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RE: IntInt

Dear Data Angels!

Gaians are willing to share the technology of Centauri Empathy (which will be researched right the next turn after accepting your kind offering - IntInt).

How does such deal sounds to Data Angels?

And - we don't happen to have infiltration on Spartans yet, but will be eager to acquire it as soon as situation seems good for it.

best regards,
Lord binTravkin

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Dear Gaians

Centauri Empathy although a good tech is not what we are going twords at the moment.

Bio-Engineering is how we see our future.

Forester
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Hercules is offline Hercules
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No Forester, we said we would welcome change to Centauri Empathy.

We stated- see message that you sent - that we would accept change atm to Centauri empathy because we understood that if they sent Bio-engineering, Spartans would get it too.

So I hope you haven't replied yet in the way you indicated.

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not sent

awaiting such replies as this

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Dear Gaians

This sounds applicable to the Data Jacks as well.

We await CE with open minds.

Forester
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That's fine.

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So I wonder what our future tech research options will be after our next discovery, if everything remains the same. I guess we are looking for Fusion.

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I would go to eithe Fusion or OS depinding on the situation at the time the decission is made.

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We got this in Spartan Embassy:
quote:

To: The Data Angels

From: The Spartan Federation

We were surprised and perturbed to see your aircraft blocking the access road between UN Health Authority and UN Temple of Sol, despite our announcement to all factions of our intent to remove the Peacekeeper menace from Planet.

Indeed, some Junta members see this as an overtly hostile act on the part of the Data Angels, but that is not (yet) our official position.

We will expect that aircraft to have returned next year to an Angels' base, and that you will neither be blocking our advance into UN Temple of Sol by replacing it with another unit, nor impeding our entry into that base by stationing Angels' assets in the base itself.

The Junta would consider either action to be severe provocation, destroying many years of trust and co-operation painstakingly built between our factions.

We trust that you appreciate our position

Colonel Googlie, on behalf of the Junta

I would propose the following:
quote:

Dear Spartan High Command Members,
We are very sorry that your operation suffers due to our presence in the area, however, we presently stay for very long time in Pact Agreement with Brother Lal, and he did not complain to Data Angels about our presence in his territory so far.
We are not happy that Spartan Federation and Peacekeeping Forces were not able to achieve mutual consensus and military action was necessary. We hope that both factions will come to terms assuring peace as soon as possible, which would be beneficial for Spartan Federation and Peacekeeping Forces.
Our unit presently flying over the Brother Lal's possesions will have to refuel for sure.
The dirt road our unit is supposedly, according to you, blocking is actually very tricky one and not that good at all. Believe me, you would not enjoy your vehicle maintenance when you take it. As our cartogrphic data service indicates, you might find more appealing some other hiking trails in the countryside of Peacekeepers more appropriate for your tourism purposes. Especially beautiful are those on rolling and rocky terrain.

Sincerely,
IT Mart

If you feel some other message is more appropriate, please write. I back from a party at the moment

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That seems fine. It is still important to keep on peace terms with the Spartans.

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Hiking trails

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On the other hand, I think we might think of some appropriate tone of the message, especially that we are going to drop them our tourists equipped with Nikon cameras and wireless notebooks very very soon.

Something keeping them at ease? What I wrote above is rather in joking tone.
I haven't sent it yet, so I'll work on it a bit...

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So here comes an answer to our drop probe team action:
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If Spartan ask for Treaty this turn, I would take it. The action was with very high probability of failure, and here we have it. I think we may work on some good probing strategy. I also think that by now Spartans do not have bases without probe defenses, the same as we do not.

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And some other thought. Coz we are now in the state of war with Spartans they can infiltrate us by killing defending probe teams. We rather got into problem here. Open conflict is not in our interest. They can claim that we started it by the drop of probe teams. We need some diplomacy now.

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I have already received a message from Chaos Theory, re vendetta with Spartans.

I posted this in Spartan Embassy:
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To Spartan Federation,

One of our guardians of a Summer Youth Camp reported that a group of his students mysteriously dissappeared. He is extremely concerned, as he suspects the boys might yet again pull some nasty excess. He thinks they might attempt to meet with some friends from Peacekeeper territory. Would you happen to have any information on their whereabouts?

And on some more serious matter. Our general Trade Advisor reported that our mutual commercial exchange has stopped due to apparent vendetta. Is this true?

Sincerely,
IT Mart

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There is a message from Spartans:
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Dear IT Mart:

Regrettably, it is indeed true that our two factions are in vendetta. Angels probe operatives were sighted in Sparta territory, and the usual treaty-partner response (interrogation, and send back shamefacedly from whence they came) was not available to us as your Prime Function had seen fit to stack probe teams, rendering that choice of response unavailable.

We were in a quandary. Let them be, and have them infiltrate our newly liberated base of Aid Station - or worse, have one or more of our valuable technologies pilfered - or eliminate them, incurring an automatic vendetta declaration in the prcess.

The Junta deliberated long and hard on this difficult choice. The decision point was reached when one of our officers posed the question: "What would the Data Angels do if they awoke one morning and found two Spartan Probe teams in the outskirts of one of their bases?" Clearly, you would not stand for it, and would likewise have taken whatever steps necessary to have them removed. And, if stacked, then their destruction becomes the only choice.

So with a heavy heart the Junta approved their elimination as a threat to our security, and to reinforce the inviolability of our borders. Vendetta resulted.

We have, however, suggested in the diplomatic pouches that we restore treaty status. We have no quarrel with the Data Angels. Indeed, you have left us alone to hone our fighting skills on Arcadia before the inevitable conflict with the irascible Chairman Yang. For that we thank you. But this latest action of your Prime Function left us somewhat bemused.

As a result, the status of our inter-faction relations has been severly degraded. But we trust that this is not irreparable.

Sincerely,

Colonel Googlie

If they proposed Treaty again, I would take it. Our action was quite unfortunate and let us not lead to conflict, that others would gain from it.

We have to also inform Gaians of our decision. Chaos Theory asked if they should accept Treaty.

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Yes
Withdraw probes
stop making any more DTs
Build military up
Return to treaty status ASAP

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Yes of course we go to treaty.

But somehow we should suggest why the scouts went which was to investigate the reason for a drop in treaty income from our friends the PKs.

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To the Gaians. Part of our rationale is that, Spartans by killing Lal, is removing a infiltrated faction (a source of tech) from our portfolio and we needed to compensate for that.

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It does not matter what excuse you use S will be able to infer the truth.

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Forester, the probes were killed according to Spartans, what they write in the message. We have nothing to withdraw now.

So we go for Treaty. I will send a word to Gaians.

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Just read over everything and got caught up.

One thing I don't understand is when they discovered the probe teams. Did we drop them and then they seem them or did they come up to them and find them? If it was them coming up on them then we should try to get some minor compensation for their loss. If we were caught red-handed and dropped them right on their doorstep, well, just accept the treaty and let it stand.

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Yes that was Spartan Territory, although ex-PK. I am actually glad it ended that way after they were dicovered - we still have Treaty, and it seems Spartans did not retaliate with probing us (if they did not do it before)

Anyway, we soon should have some good air forces. For now:
2 F-6 fighters
2 B-6 (although no deep radar)
1 Sioux missile copter
1 scout chopper

We still need a lot AAA defenders
This is in case of a real conflict

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Some serious questions from Spartans:
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Dear Data Angels:

Now that relations have again been normalized, the Junta is wondering if the Data Angels would be amenable to a trade of technologies.

You have AMA and MMI, which technologies we lack, and we have Advanced Subatomic Theory, Doctrine Initiative, Planetary Economics and Applied Relativity which you lack.

Also, now that Commissioner Lal has been "removed from office", the position of Planetary Governor is vacant. Is there anything we can offer that would secure your support of our candidacy?

Colonel Googlie, on behalf of the Junta

 
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