15-06-2005 01:04									#1
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What do we do to continue with the Civ choice process once the poll is done?

It's somewhat dependant on how the Agr poll goes, but:

quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Do 3-2-1 voting thread, where everyone picks their top three civ. (Limited to only those civs already nominated in the civ choice thread if you wish). Manually add them up, and we get our teams top three choices.

I think HE has the right idea. However, if the poll goes in favor of all civs, I think we may have too many to choose from in one round of voting, even voting for 3 civs. So, in that case, I propose that we A) ask the UN for more time, B) Do two rounds of voting, the first of which to determine the top X civs to be voted between in the second round. (X=6? 8?)

If Agr civs do win, I think we'd have a small enough pool to just do one of the 3-2-1 AKA Borda polls.

	15-06-2005 01:16									#2
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BTW, I just went through the discussion thread and I counted 17 civs.

(Here's the list if anybody wants)

quote: Maya Inca Sumeria Persians Iroquois Aztec Celts Dutch Ottoman Germany Chinese Byzantines Carthage England India Zulu Rome

I think narrowing it down to 7 with an initial round wouldn't be a bad idea.

	15-06-2005 01:19									#3
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OK, so narrow it down to just these 7 civs:

• Mayans;
  
  
• Celts;
  
  
• Iroquios;
  
  
• Aztecs;
  
  
• Incans;
  
  
• Dutch;
  
  
• Sumerians;

	15-06-2005 01:23									#4
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	16-06-2005 22:20									#5
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Poll seems fairly conclusive. Ag civs it is.

Shall we do the 3-2-1 HE suggested to choose the final top 3?

	16-06-2005 23:37									#6
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I'll get things started then. Here is the list:

Agricultural Civs

Iroquois - Commercial - UU: Ancient Age - Mounted Warrior 3.1.2 30 shields
Inca - Expansionist - UU: Ancient Age - Chasqui Scout 1.1.2 20 shields (ignore mountains)
Maya - Industrious - UU: Ancient Age - Javelin Thrower 2.2.1 30 shields (enslavement)
Aztec - Militaristic - UU: Ancient Age - Jaguar Warrior 1.1.2 10 shields
Celtic - Religious - UU: Ancient Age - Gallic Swordsman 3.2.2 40 shields
Sumerian - Scientific - UU: Ancient Age - Enkidu Warrior 1.2.1 10 shields
Dutch - Seafaring - UU: Middle Ages - Swiss Mercenary 1.4.1 30 shields

My vote:

1. Iroquios
2. Dutch
3. Sumeria

	17-06-2005 00:19									#7
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Sounds good...

1. Iroquios
2. Sumeria
3. Dutch

	17-06-2005 00:22									#8
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1. Celts
2. Iroquois
3. Sumeria

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1. Celts
2. Iroquois
3. Sumeria

	17-06-2005 00:38									#10
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1. Sumeria
2. Maya
3. Iro

	17-06-2005 00:41									#11
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1. Iroquois
   
2. Dutch
   
3. Sumerians
   

	17-06-2005 02:07									#12
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Ditto zerialienguru

1. Sumeria (good defensive UU will make rushers think twice and pretty much guarantee our early existence, Scientific is a good trait)
2. Maya (UU, which makes all 2 attack units cost 30, is something of a liability if anything, which is why I put Sumeria first; but Industrious is an awesome trait)
3. Iroquois (Commercial is a decent trait and for us I'd say it's better than Religious which is why Celts don't make my list. UU is great if we can find the horses)

Dutch have a good UU, but I just don't think the Seafaring trait is our best bet. We'll have plenty to worry about on our own continent, I'm sure; and our start will be on coast, which pretty much dictates having to palace jump.

	17-06-2005 02:25									#13
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What everyone over looks with the Iroquois is that we need Iron OR Horses to have a three attack unit in the anchient era. One or the other, so we don't have to rely on getting IW, and then finding a source of iron.

The Sumerians UU is a warrior, a unit that we will have to explore with. If we come up to an enemy, they can just throw away a warrior, and we lose our GA when we have only one or two cities. That has to be the most foolhardy choice that can be made, as we are in a competitive environment where players are going to do everything they can to beat us.

And if they want to rush us, they don't even need to engineer a rush that can beat us, they only need to make one that forces us to use Enkidus to defend, and we lose the GA in another way.

I could live with any Agr civ, just not the Sumerians...

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Sumeria
Maya
Dutch

	17-06-2005 02:34									#15
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Good point about the Iro. I had forgotten that.

As for Sumeria: if it comes down to it, I'm willing to sacrifice our GA to ensure we survive. Yes, their GA sucks. But I like pretty much everything else about them; Scientific should prove to be a good trait in the long haul - and there probably will be a long haul if we survive the early game, since this is Continents.

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1. Iroquois
2. Maya
3. Sumerian

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1. Iroquois
2. Maya
3. Sumerian

	17-06-2005 05:55									#18
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We are going to be a target for an early rush. We have proven time and again that if we are given time to build, no one can compete with our MM.

WE WILL BE RUSHED BY MULTIPLE OPPONETS EARLY AND AT THE SAME TIME!!

The best way to counter that will be Sumeria. 1/2 cost spears is the way to go.

1. Sumeria
3. Iroquois
5. Maya
6. Celts
7. Dutch

	17-06-2005 07:09									#19
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Err, I think you skipped 2 and 3?

And any civs beyond the first three don't count for your votes, just to make sure it's clear.

Anyway, I agree a rush is very very likely. Multiple rushes is certainly likely too, though for them to be coordinated, our rushers would need to make contact in time.

Sumeria

	17-06-2005 07:14									#20
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Nope. I didn't skip any numbers. 2 is Sumeria. Just like 3 and 4 is Iroquis...

	17-06-2005 08:44									#21
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1) Sumeria - Sci & cheap "spearman/warrior" (cheap defence while REXing, cheap Libs/Uni and Free techs each age)
2) Iroquois - Com & MW's (manoverability with a punch)
3) Dutch - Sea & Swiss Merks (+1 to all ship movement - better chance of getting across ocean & Better MA defence)

Too bad we can't play all 3....

E_T

	17-06-2005 10:25									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Ditto zerialienguru 1. Sumeria (good defensive UU will make rushers think twice and pretty much guarantee our early existence, Scientific is a good trait) 2. Maya (UU, which makes all 2 attack units cost 30, is something of a liability if anything, which is why I put Sumeria first; but Industrious is an awesome trait) 3. Iroquois (Commercial is a decent trait and for us I'd say it's better than Religious which is why Celts don't make my list. UU is great if we can find the horses) Dutch have a good UU, but I just don't think the Seafaring trait is our best bet. We'll have plenty to worry about on our own continent, I'm sure; and our start will be on coast, which pretty much dictates having to palace jump.

Ditto on the ditto!

	17-06-2005 10:29									#23
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1. Iroquois
2. Sumeria
3. Celts

	17-06-2005 10:43									#24
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Up to this post this is how the vote tallies:

Vote for #1 gets 3 points
Vote for #2 gets 2 points
Vote for #3 gets 1 point

Iroquois - Commercial - UU: Ancient Age - Mounted Warrior 3.1.2 30 shields
Votes=1,1,2,2,3,1,3,1,1,3,2,3,1
Points=3,3,2,2,1,3,1,3,3,1,2,1,3=27


Inca - Expansionist - UU: Ancient Age - Chasqui Scout 1.1.2 20 shields (ignore mountains)


Maya - Industrious - UU: Ancient Age - Javelin Thrower 2.2.1 30 shields (enslavement)
Votes=2,2,2,2
Points=2,2,2,2=8

Aztec - Militaristic - UU: Ancient Age - Jaguar Warrior 1.1.2 10 shields


Celtic - Religious - UU: Ancient Age - Gallic Swordsman 3.2.2 40 shields
Votes=1,1,3
Points=3,3,1=7

Sumerian - Scientific - UU: Ancient Age - Enkidu Warrior 1.2.1 10 shields
Votes=3,2,3,3,1,3,1,1,3,3,1,1,1,2
Points=1,2,1,1,3,1,3,3,1,1,3,3,3,2=28

Dutch - Seafaring - UU: Middle Ages - Swiss Mercenary 1.4.1 30 shields
Votes=2,3,2,3,3
Points=2,1,2,1,1=7

So, so far we get:

#1 Summerian with 28 points
#2 Iroquois with 27 points
#3 Maya with 8 points
#4/#5 Dutch with 7 points/Celtics with 7 points

	17-06-2005 12:00									#25
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1. Maya
2. iroques
3. Sumeria

	17-06-2005 12:06									#26
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How will we handle point ties?

With Ormuzd's post, Sumeria and Iroquios are tied for first, with 29 points each.

E_T

	17-06-2005 12:13									#27
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We could re-vote with only the top 3 or 4 Civs as choices...

	17-06-2005 14:23									#28
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do we have the time to run three poles?
the first will include all popular civs
the second - all from the first one except the winner
the third - all from the second poll except the winner

If there are ties on the first and on the second we will run one poll less

This will reveal a full picture of our intentions. The drawback is time

	17-06-2005 17:09									#29
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i hate to quote myself but i still think it is a good idea:

quote: Originally posted by Poly-Akryll i think most of us will not get persuaded anymore... we should vote soon. i'd say the vote should look like this: -the options are the 7 agri civs and each gets three slots. with first, second or third choice. -everybody has three votes (multichoice, but limited. dunno if this is possible in this forum but we can write it into the header that everybody has exactly three votes) -everybody can vote for each position (1st,2nd,3rd) once -one abstain-option (if you vote this you must not vote anything else) -make the vote public so if somebody accidently votes wrong we can find it and correct it... in the end we will easyly see if everybody voted correct, as the number of 1st, 2nd and 3rd votes have to equal. now every 1st vote gives the civ 3 points, 2nd gives 2p and 3rd gives 1p. in the end we will have a nice ranking.

	17-06-2005 21:11									#30
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I don't think the polls can be set up like that. We can just go with the current thread. If there is a tie we can just vote one or the other. How long is this poll going for anyway?

It appears it will be down to the Iroquois or Sumeria anyway.