17-06-2005 21:31									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Krill I could live with any Agr civ, just not the Sumerians...

I like them, every team knows that they need a really big army for a war with us. In the ancient Age, the UU is like the hoplit a powerfull defender and gets us to the middle age if we are able to use it.

Other think is that we can build the UU from the start and it costs only 10 shields. So we can use them like the zulu-UU, build ten of them and every other team will have big problems to save their roads/mines.

	17-06-2005 22:40									#32
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Having a "warrior" with greater defenses helps to survive poping a barb hut, especially if that hut is close to someone else (and a ways away from you) and you want the hut before you make contact. If you die, you have to send someone else to make that contact, which takes time (and possibly a change in production to get that unit to send).

Having a "cheap" Spearman means that you can build 2 for the price of 1 for every one else. Which, if we have a fairly high REX rate, we will need units to escort and units to explore and units to Garrison citys and help with the happiness (remember, we will be emporer difficulty, so only 1 free content pop per city).

The drawback, is that we can't build regular warriors, but will be able to build Swordsmen, with IW and Iron connected. If anything, that would save us the upgrade costs for those units and we can use the money for other things (or not worry so much about money at the begining).

Another Drawback is having someone trigger our GA early, but that will be a job for the FAM to help prevent.

E_T

	17-06-2005 22:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Another Drawback is having someone trigger our GA early, but that will be a job for the FAM to help prevent. E_T

... and for the god of internal affairs to maximize! hint hint nudge nudge...

	17-06-2005 23:00									#34
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I don't really think of the no Warrior->Swordsman thing as a drawback. In Conquests, that upgrade costs 60 gold, pretty darn pricey and not so much of a savings over rushing.

BTW, I believe this is the current total:

Iroquois - 31
Inca - 0
Maya - 16
Aztec - 0
Celts - 7
Sumeria - 29
Dutch - 7

About to check it.

Edit: Yep, Iro lead with 31 by my count.

Last edited by Kloreep on 17-06-2005 at 23:07

	17-06-2005 23:13									#35
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You did realize that Sumeria was my #1 and #2 Pick, netting them 5 points right there, right?

Yeah, yeah... I know. It doesn't work that way...

	17-06-2005 23:15									#36
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No it doesn't.

	17-06-2005 23:19									#37
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Celts
Iroquois
Sumeria

	17-06-2005 23:50									#38
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I'm telling ya... your going to get Apo killed if we don't have an acient age defensive UU...

	18-06-2005 06:25									#39
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I'm strongly in the Sumeria Camp, but I Will take Iroquois if need be (although I would think that is a possible mistake, if we don't deside on a war footing from the start, which we won't).

E_T

	18-06-2005 06:27									#40
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1. Celts
2. Sumeria
3. Iroquois

	18-06-2005 06:29									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal ... and for the god of internal affairs to maximize! hint hint nudge nudge...

I can only maximize only so much, especially in Despotism. So, we work harder to get to either Monarchy or Republic, which I CAN try to maximize for.

E_T

	18-06-2005 09:30									#42
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Current totals:


Iroquois - 36
Inca - 0
Maya - 19
Aztec - 0
Celts - 13
Sumeria - 33
Dutch - 7


If things don't change too much I would suggest hat we hold a run-off poll and only have the top two choices available as our #1 pick. The Civ that loses this poll will become our #2 pick by default. We then poll the rest of the reamaining Civs that got any votes and the winner of that second poll is our #3 pick. Both polls can run concurrently.

Sound good?

	18-06-2005 10:30									#43
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Strange, I have

Iroquois - 34
Inca - 0
Maya - 16
Aztec - 0
Celts - 13
Sumeria - 32
Dutch - 7

	18-06-2005 10:35									#44
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As for polling once more: it depends on where we want to go with this decision. The Borda count depends more on overall acceptability than on what people's #1 choice is. The Iroquois and Sumeria are both clearly pretty acceptable. Still, it would currently seem the Iroquois are a little more popular. I'd be fine with just taking the result of this poll.

But, I wouldn't object to a runoff between Iroquois and Sumeria since a number of people didn't put either on their lists. Heck, we could do Celts vs. Maya too for the #3 spot.

	18-06-2005 12:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Strange, I have Iroquois - 34 Inca - 0 Maya - 16 Aztec - 0 Celts - 13 Sumeria - 32 Dutch - 7

Well, I used your last totals and then just added in what was posted since your post. Your totals may have been off on that post.

I am giving points as follows:
3=1st
2=2nd
1=3rd

I went through the thread, from the begining, and come up with these totals now:

Iroquois=34
Sumeria=32
Maya=16
Celts=13
Dutch=7

I still say we hold a poll with the #1 and #2 choices and then a second poll with the other 3 Civs with the winner of that poll going into the 3rd slot.

	18-06-2005 12:28									#46
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I was using my last totals too. But it seems we're in agreement now.

	18-06-2005 14:17									#47
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree If things don't change too much I would suggest hat we hold a run-off poll and only have the top two choices available as our #1 pick. The Civ that loses this poll will become our #2 pick by default. We then poll the rest of the reamaining Civs that got any votes and the winner of that second poll is our #3 pick. Both polls can run concurrently. Sound good?

Sounds good, I suggest starting the polls because there could be no big changes. Let's not waste more time and go to the polls.

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